Could Perimeter 'D' be Raptors' undoing?
Old 02-24-2008, 09:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Interesting article from TSN today. Talks about how easily some of the leagues best have exposed our perimeter defense over the last little while. So while so many of us complain and get frustrated with our lack of interior presence, should we be focusing on ways to better our perimeter defense instead?

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What do Kobe Bryant, Brandon Roy, Manu Ginobili, Corey Maggette, Rip Hamilton and LeBron James have in common? All are elite two-guards in the NBA, and all have posted games of 30 points or more over the Toronto Raptors in the last two months.

There has been much time spent writing about the Raptors' rebounding woes. But, increasingly, it appears that perimeter defense may end up costing the Raptors down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Following Friday nights' debacle in New York against the Knicks, Jamaal Crawford and his 43 points can now be added to the growing list of perimeter players that have torched the Raps.

Since the New Year, the Raptors have given up games of 34 points to Ginobili, 35 points to Maggette, 46 points to Bryant, 39 points to Hamilton, 33 points to Roy, and 39 points to James - expect for the January 13th win over Portland, all those games resulted in a loss.

The Raptors are allowing opposing shooting guards to shoot a staggering 54.8% from the field, far and away the worst in the Association. Shooting guards are averaging a robust 22.4 points-per-game against the Raptors, tied for 26th in the league.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, you cannot have a strong exterior, without a very strong core. This philosophy extends to all things in life, except exoskeleton technology, and insects.

Our Interior defence simply HAS to become more agressive off the ball in taking away lanes, and stepping into them when guys get beat. It's awareness and it's effort.

I will continue to harp on this as I see our guards, man for man, as pretty decent defenders, however I can also see that they aren't trusting thier Interior at all, they are terrified of lteeting their guy by, nd giving up shots. Once thy get ass reamed enough by the coach for this, who, is also SCREAMING at his bigs to wake the fuck up, they get up on guys who go by them and find the softest underbelly in the league waiting.

This is why Guys like Wallace, Camby, Duncan, etc. are so damned coveted. they play amazing defence off the ball and help shut down lanes for thier guards. I can think of one guy right away on our team that has to wake up, thats Bargnani. Bosh is soft, but it's hard for him as he already does too much.

This team is a few guys away yet, however, put one really tough interior guy in thier that knows how to defend without the ball, and trust me, you'll see just how good Parker and moon and Jose are on defence. They may not be DPOY candidates, but they are good defenders, especially parker.
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Well said SJ.

My beef with Moon is that he depends too much on his ability to catch up instead of taking away options before the player he's covering has a opportunity to either make a move or take a shot. I think that's why Sam's been yelling at him so much because he's giving guys too much space to shoot and not getting a hand in their faces.

I think (and I hope) we'll see a different Jamario defensively over the next couple games.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:57 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Moon.

I was at the U of T Ottawa game yesterday. My close friend and former HS ball teamate Neils litle Brother Robbie Plays for U of T, so good this kid is.

Anyhow we duscussed ball, as Neil played University too and we love talking hoops.

Jamario came up and we agree 100% on him. He's a young Rodman, and Sam loves him for good reason. He is strong minded and will improve. He's deficiencies on D are obvious. But he listens when he gets yelled at, and he works awfully hard. He crashed the glass and runs the floor. Give him another year with Sam, he's blossum. Think about it, he has had no real coaching, no college, and some crap ass minors ball. Raw as hell with a huge ceiling, he reminds me so much of Rodman it hurts. If he can gain a bit of Agression, and keep learning the game of defence, he's gonna be a real asset. a Bowen type.

Right now, not so much, but his coaches see it, Meil see's it, and I do too, he's got room to grow, and he has the balls to accept criticism.
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Very good points.

I also recall Sam saying that some of the perimeter guys (in particular Jamario) think they have the ability to close out quiclky on shooters and feel like they're contesting shots, but in fact they aren't and they've been making them watch tape so they can see they're actually a fraction of a second late in most cases.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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yep.

I think once they get thier "team d shit together those rotations and close out will get more tight and crisp"

Watching San Antonio do it is a joy for me, Detroit too. But the Spurs are the Class of the NBA in thier own end. But they got the best Interior bigs in the leauge from the shoulders up. Hopefully we can get there
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Moon.

I was at the U of T Ottawa game yesterday. My close friend and former HS ball teamate Neils litle Brother Robbie Plays for U of T, so good this kid is.

Anyhow we duscussed ball, as Neil played University too and we love talking hoops.

Jamario came up and we agree 100% on him. He's a young Rodman, and Sam loves him for good reason. He is strong minded and will improve. He's deficiencies on D are obvious. But he listens when he gets yelled at, and he works awfully hard. He crashed the glass and runs the floor. Give him another year with Sam, he's blossum. Think about it, he has had no real coaching, no college, and some crap ass minors ball. Raw as hell with a huge ceiling, he reminds me so much of Rodman it hurts. If he can gain a bit of Agression, and keep learning the game of defence, he's gonna be a real asset. a Bowen type.

Right now, not so much, but his coaches see it, Meil see's it, and I do too, he's got room to grow, and he has the balls to accept criticism.
Wow, Rodman is one of my fav players ever, in terms of effort, toughness, grit and work ethic, plz dont blasphemize him by comparing Moon to him, esp as a "young" Rodman at 27, your literally comparing him to one of the best defensive players ever, a rebounding machine who could guard bigger stronger guys like Malone very very well, something Jamario doesnt seem to do well, one of the best help defenders ever who at Jamario's age was already the premier rebounder/defender in the world... Dennis also didnt give a damn about taking silly 3s and outside jumpers, he may have been a nut, but he was a team guy on the court and was unselfish to a fault, something Moon definately isnt. I do think he will be a nice player, but not close to my $ the best rebounder of all time, and his ceiling isnt as high as ppl say considering his age. He can be a good 6th or 7th man in this league, i dont think he can be much more. JMO

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he compared Moon with Rodman becuase of the kind of job he should have on a team. I doubt he is saying Moon could be as good as rodman,
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Old 02-25-2008, 04:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think Rodman Fan #1 should have a look at Rodmans Stats, and then get back to me on potential.

I was around when he was a Piston putting on Rings.



edit. I forgot to mention, Rodman blew up in the early 90's after showing wonderful promise his first 4-5 years in the league with Detroit. He was 30 in 1991 when he averaged double digits Rebounding for the first time. He rise was well documented from then on. He was an over age drafted guy because he was a fucking Janitor who decided to pla hoops.... he came up the hard route through NAIA and was spotted by scouts.

Sound like anyone we know????

His physical stature was very this and wirey when he started. He relied heavily upon his physical gifts. His Detroit coaching staff turned him into a very Fundamentally sound player.

Anyhow my point is, he and Moon are VERY similar. Frighteningly so. I remember watching the worm whenI was in HS baby, he was one of MY favorites too. I was 15.


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he compared Moon with Rodman becuase of the kind of job he should have on a team. I doubt he is saying Moon could be as good as rodman,
Rodman grabbed 35 or so in a game once.

Nobody can do that.

But I think he came improve, and he can also give more on the offensive end.

Will he ever have Rodmans personality, or ability to be "the worm", nah, he ain't that guy. But think of it this way, he has 3 years to get to where he can average 12 rebs a game. I like his chances.
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^so yeah.. what I said
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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hahahahaaa

ya pretty much.
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I love when moon tries to bait those guards so he can block them, in a fantasy team with KG, Al Jefferson, Perkins and Przbilla, Moon is my #1 shot blocker ...
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i guess theres some comparisons, but i still dont see moon coming close, and he is in love with his shot way more then dennis.

Even in Rodmans rookie year he averaged 4 boards a game in 15 min PT, u say he wasnt good til 91? the next year he was already averaging 9 a game along with 9 points. 91 was just the year he become a more fulltime starter, but his numbers were already crazy for his PT b4 that. I think Moon can be an OK player in this league, but i think your doing him a huge favor comparing him to Dennis, who was a workaholic 6"7 (if that) rebounding machine, defensive stopper. IF Moon can be half the player Dennis was ill be happy, but if you think he could get 12-18 boards a game as a starter like dennis which he started doing around Moons age, i think your kinda feeling him way too much.
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Pimp.

Rodman didnt average over 9 until he was 30.

Moon has a while to go.

I never said he was no good until 91, why would you put words in my mouth.

thats low.

I feel you should be banned for that.

Ban this man!!!
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http://www.nba.com/history/players/rodman_stats.html

2nd year in the league at 26-27 years old, 8.4 rebounds a game. 3rd year in the league at 27-28 years old 9.4 in 26 min per game no less. Anyways neither of us are budging time will tell i guess.
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