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Old 04-18-2011, 06:14 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Moving Bargs to PF and bringing in a C only makes sense if you believe that an NBA team can have long term success with a defensive liability as a starter.

Personally, I don't believe that. Defense is what separates starters from bench players.

Ed Davis is the future starter at PF. Bargs needs to either come off the bench for us, for another team, or prove that he can defend and rebound.
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:28 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Rest in peace Colangelo's tenure in Toronto. It's been fun.
Yeah, I'm getting a sinking feeling that he's done here. Very disapointing to say the least. If so then I expect a moron to be replacing him. Gotta love MLSE!
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:29 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Dude, Andrea has been playing the PF position the whole season. On offense, Andrea is not battling on the block. He gets the majority of touches outside the paint, where the majority of the time he jacks up a shot or sometimes drives to the rim. Its Amir, Davis and Ed Davis, battling in the paint and fighting for rebounds on offense. Like I said before, Its Amir And Davis getting the bulk of the minutes guarding the centers on the other team on defense.
I don't recall him playing PF. Anywhom, what I am really preaching is that if we did get rid of Andrea, we would need someone in the post to become a threat, or else we'll have no post threats. Even in the case of Boston, KG can score and spread the defence, and Perkins had somewhat of a post game. I know everyone wants this defensive monster as center, but if he's only defensive, then we'll be in the same boat.

As train said above, I don't agree with Demar being able to draw double teams, yet. They know what he can do, and they'll collapse on him when he gets in the paint. Andrea on the other hand would get doubled when he touched the ball in the post. You can say we'll play better ball without Andrea, but were not Denver, most of our role players would ride the bench on contending teams.
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I don't recall him playing PF. Anywhom, what I am really preaching is that if we did get rid of Andrea, we would need someone in the post to become a threat, or else we'll have no post threats. Even in the case of Boston, KG can score and spread the defence, and Perkins had somewhat of a post game. I know everyone wants this defensive monster as center, but if he's only defensive, then we'll be in the same boat.

As train said above, I don't agree with Demar being able to draw double teams, yet. They know what he can do, and they'll collapse on him when he gets in the paint. Andrea on the other hand would get doubled when he touched the ball in the post. You can say we'll play better ball without Andrea, but were not Denver, most of our role players would ride the bench on contending teams.
once again duca, you keep going on and on repeating ur same points and ignoring what anyone else has to say.
LX already pointed this out, but i guess it iddn't process.
bargnani was not a post threat to begin with! why would we need someone to replace this if its not there to replace?!
and how does a post presence spread the floor?
and no one is desperately wanting a defensive minded center with zero offensive abilities. just someone who can hold his own at least and isn't a liability and someone like that could still average 15+ ppg.

i don't remember the last time i saw Bargnani get fed the ball in the post
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First of all, I am not ignoring anyones points. I'll be the first to admit that Andrea is not good on defence. Second of all, he has a post game. I just youtubed Andrea game tape to show how easy it is to find footage of him posting up, here is a random game against Detroit.

Bargnani @ Detroit Pistons /..." target="_blank">YouTube - Andrea Bargnani @ Detroit Pistons /...

Watch him in the post. Saying he doesn't have a post game is just hating because it's the cool thing to do.

How does having a player like Andrea who can post up and step back to the three point line not spread the floor?*sarcasm* It cause for tons of mismatches. Like getting someone like Dwight Howard out of the paint which allows other players to get to the rim and score.

All the centers which have been passed around are basically defensive minded centers, and were not going to get a defensive minded center who can score more then 15 PPG without giving up something significant, like Demar or Davis. A center like that is rare, not many teams will just let them walk.

I'm tired of you just following around my posts. If you don't like a world where everything isn't black and white, don't read my posts. It's getting really old now.

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Old 04-18-2011, 07:26 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I agree 100% with what BC say's. Andrea score 1/5th of the teams points per game. He's obviously has to, but if he didn't have the burden of guarding the league's biggest men night in and night out he could focus more on everything. Look at Dirk, I know you guys hate the comparison, but in Dallas he's always only had to worry about the offense. They have surrounded him with guys like Eric Dampier (in the past), Tyson Chandler, etc.. So he doesn't have to be in charge of guarding the other teams arguably most aggressive player on the boards. Dirk isn't a good defender, but you don't see him taking heat because he has a big backing him up, guarding the paint.

I think if BC finds a center and moves Andrea the the PF spot we will se a big improvement in the way this team works.
How many times have Dallas won a championship?
Are you serious?

Just because AB is a good offensive player, he doesn't have to play defence?

No thx, I would rather have Ed start if Bargnani "needs someone to protect him".
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once again duca, you keep going on and on repeating ur same points and ignoring what anyone else has to say.
LX already pointed this out, but i guess it iddn't process.
bargnani was not a post threat to begin with! why would we need someone to replace this if its not there to replace?!
and how does a post presence spread the floor?
and no one is desperately wanting a defensive minded center with zero offensive abilities. just someone who can hold his own at least and isn't a liability and someone like that could still average 15+ ppg.

i don't remember the last time i saw Bargnani get fed the ball in the post
your points have been argued against too.... yet you stay the course.... it's ok, that's the forum. Just be mindful of that.
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How many times have Dallas won a championship?
Are you serious?

Just because AB is a good offensive player, he doesn't have to play defence?

No thx, I would rather have Ed start if Bargnani "needs someone to protect him".
only like 8 or 9 teams have won the championship in like 25 years.... Dallas is a consistent winning franchise. AB does play defense, just not as well as you'd like.... big difference. You're talking in absolutes... and nothing happens like that,

Ed Davis doesn't protect him either.... oh, you were being funny!
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How many times have Dallas won a championship?
Are you serious?
That could be said about 25 other teams in the league who haven't won a championship over the last 7 or 8 years. The point is, they are always a top team in the league.


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Just because AB is a good offensive player, he doesn't have to play defence?

No thx, I would rather have Ed start if Bargnani "needs someone to protect him".
I don't think anyone is saying that. I think the argument is that if we get rid of Bargnani, and don't make up for his offence, then we'll have a whole other problem to deal with. I think most of us would agree he must improve on defence in order to succeed as being a top player.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:41 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Ugh. Having Ed Davis come off the bench for this team would be awful. Kid is only going to get better and he was good enough to start at the end of his rookie year.

Sign Kwame Brown and put him next to Davis. Trade Bargnani and try to get a decent backup C and another piece or two.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:53 PM   #51 (permalink)
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good high lights from Bargs in Detroit..
but the funny thing is he only plays like that against rookies or other euro guys that he feels confident against..
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First of all, I am not ignoring anyones points. I'll be the first to admit that Andrea is not good on defence. Second of all, he has a post game. I just youtubed Andrea game tape to show how easy it is to find footage of him posting up, here is a random game against Detroit.

YouTube - Andrea Bargnani @ Detroit Pistons / Apr. 13th, 2010

Watch him in the post. Saying he doesn't have a post game is just hating because it's the cool thing to do.

How does having a player like Andrea who can post up and step back to the three point line not spread the floor?*sarcasm* It cause for tons of mismatches. Like getting someone like Dwight Howard out of the paint which allows other players to get to the rim and score.

All the centers which have been passed around are basically defensive minded centers, and were not going to get a defensive minded center who can score more then 15 PPG without giving up something significant, like Demar or Davis. A center like that is rare, not many teams will just let them walk.

I'm tired of you just following around my posts. If you don't like a world where everything isn't black and white, don't read my posts. It's getting really old now.
having a "post game" does not make him a post threat. i agree that he CAN play down there. but how often does he? thats the point. having that ability but only showing it once every ten games is the same has not having it and once every ten games has a lucky one.

i think thats the "idea" of Bargnani (offensively at least) that most of us have and wish he become. i absolutely agree, the IDEA of Bargnani is an offensive nightmare for opposing defenses, but he hasn't done that consistently for him to even be considered that type of player. the type to post up and then spread the floor with his 3 like you say.
so if he was gone, we aren't "missing" that because we never had that. it just something the fans wish we could of had
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One of the things i got from this, Reggie is as good as gone.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:56 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Can someone tell me if part 7 is the last part of the interview? I'm makeing it into 1 video and want to upload it to youtube but I'm not sure if it's the last part and don't want to have to reupload it later.

Bryan Colangelo: Part Seven - Apr. 18 | video | Raptors
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Can someone tell me if part 7 is the last part of the interview? I'm makeing it into 1 video and want to upload it to youtube but I'm not sure if it's the last part and don't want to have to reupload it later.

Bryan Colangelo: Part Seven - Apr. 18 | video | Raptors
Yes thats the last part
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One of the things i got from this, Reggie is as good as gone.
Moreso - Sonny. Not even mentioned once was he?
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Moreso - Sonny. Not even mentioned once was he?
He fell off the maps this season. Everyone used to be so high on Sonny, even myself. He began to turn into Joey Graham .. and we don't need another Joey Graham.
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So because he cant defend or rebound his position, hes playing out of position at the 5? Really Bryan?

Someone needs to find some quotes from a few years ago when he said Bargs was a 5. Hes not a PF. Making him one and drafting a center just compounds the problem.

Accept what he is. You told us to all wait 5 years to see him progress and now hes in year 6 and still terrible in the areas we need most. It's time for him to go already.
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So because he cant defend or rebound his position, hes playing out of position at the 5? Really Bryan?

Someone needs to find some quotes from a few years ago when he said Bargs was a 5. Hes not a PF. Making him one and drafting a center just compounds the problem.

Accept what he is. You told us to all wait 5 years to see him progress and now hes in year 6 and still terrible in the areas we need most. It's time for him to go already.
Its pretty clear Bargnani is gone.. he just didn't want to blab it out because that'll affect other teams from wanting him. If we were going to put Bargnani at the 4 then we wouldn't of drafted Ed Davis, but we did draft Davis so Bargnani is out of the picture, especially since the Tyson Chandler deal almost went through.
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So because he cant defend or rebound his position, hes playing out of position at the 5? Really Bryan?

Someone needs to find some quotes from a few years ago when he said Bargs was a 5. Hes not a PF. Making him one and drafting a center just compounds the problem.

Accept what he is. You told us to all wait 5 years to see him progress and now hes in year 6 and still terrible in the areas we need most. It's time for him to go already.
If BC says anything his value will plummet even though it is bad right now as well. It really doesn't bother he's saying these things because in reality its not true. By selling him as a 4, then others might be more open to acquire him.
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