Colangelo's extension imminent?
Old 01-18-2011, 11:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Maybe one thing thatís closer to certain is that Bryan Colangelo, the president and GM who put this roster together, will be around to see their development continue, for better or worse. Colangelo, coming up on the fifth anniversary of his arrival in Toronto, is in the final year of his contract. But heís been told by higher-ups that heís a part of the long-term picture at Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment (and no, heís not one of the hundreds of would-be honchos whoíve forwarded their resumes to the U.S. headhunting firm charged with finding a replacement for outgoing CEO Richard Peddie).

Anybody who knows Colangelo knows he thinks of himself as a basketball guy, first and foremost, and the CEO job isnít currently on his wish list. And while he has failed to build a winner, save for that 47-victory campaign in his 2006-07 honeymoon phase, those who know the way Colangelo is viewed in the MLSE boardroom will tell you that he is appreciated for his swing-for-the-fences approach to deal-making. (Even if Colangeloís would-be home runs, and weíre thinking of Jermaine OíNeal and Hedo Turkoglu, turned into weak groundouts, the buzz those moves created helped the sales staff move product).

With Colangeloís contract extension expected to be consummated in the near future, you can expect pre-trade-deadline action, although the Raptors arenít exactly dealing from a position of strength.

Colangelo has millions in a trade exception he acquired in Boshís exit, which heís hoping to use before it expires. And he has Reggie Evansís expiring contract which, if Evans could get healthy, could theoretically fetch something of value. And certainly Colangelo will continue to speak positively about the chances of squeezing into the playoffs in a top-heavy Eastern Conference.

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Old 01-18-2011, 11:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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so the organisation will remain the same !!! LOL !
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Old 01-18-2011, 11:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't think he is a bad GM per se, and i know working out of toronto has its challenges that other NBA team may not have, but it's just hard for me to get excited for 'COlangelo brand' basketball right now. He's been here for 5 years and yes while things started off on a tear, it's been downhill ever since.

And just one observation. It doesn't sit well with me that MLSE likes his 'swing for the fences' approach so much. Man, if anything that's the mentality that keeps us from actually improving the right way. I sure as hell hope BC plans on putting down the baseball bat for the next long while.
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glad to hear it.
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They need to get this done... he's put together a very nice young frontcourt with some pieces around it.... this team is headed in the right direction.

Think about this... DD is in his second season, but if he had stayed in school, he'd be a junior. He'd be dunking all over everyone and people would be raving that he's a top 2 pick...
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Collangelo has made some great moves, and some fizzles as well.
All i know is he made watching the Raptors team exciting.
The team he has put together now.. i think will one day be great. They show allot of heart and skill. They just need to be honned.
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
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glad to hear it.
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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even though the raps have been struggling their are not that many people out there that have a basketball mind which is better than colangelo even though raps are struggling i feel confident about our future knowing we have a gm which can get the job done
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even though the raps have been struggling their are not that many people out there that have a basketball mind which is better than colangelo even though raps are struggling i feel confident about our future knowing we have a gm which can get the job done
Hey Fresh,

With all due respect, i keep hearing what a great basketball mind Colangelo has, but i have yet to see on how it has transpired for success for the Raptors. We are absolutely no farther ahead than we were when he signed on (perhaps even in worse shape) with no real guarantee we are poised to move up the standings in the near future.

IMHO i do not think Bargs is the guy to build our team around and while BC is sitting in the GM's desk he will continue to be his golden boy.

Unless he does something drastic in the next month i would rather see them let him walk and bring someone in with a new mind set and a different strategy.
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we need stability in some level of the organization in order to establish some kind of identity, some kind of overall program and some kind of organizational strategy that looks at long-term team development. colangelo brings that stability coupled with league-wide respect. it is obvious that he has not brought us success through 4.5 years, but in the context of injury, poor player performance and the cb departure, and with the additional impact of mlse control, i don't see how this can all be on his shoulders. given all that, i choose long-term stability and a second chance to take this team somewhere over the unknown randomness of yet another executive level change for a franchise that seems to change directions every couple of years.
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we need stability in some level of the organization in order to establish some kind of identity, some kind of overall program and some kind of organizational strategy that looks at long-term team development. colangelo brings that stability coupled with league-wide respect. it is obvious that he has not brought us success through 4.5 years, but in the context of injury, poor player performance and the cb departure, and with the additional impact of mlse control, i don't see how this can all be on his shoulders. given all that, i choose long-term stability and a second chance to take this team somewhere over the unknown randomness of yet another executive level change for a franchise that seems to change directions every couple of years.
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Something to be said for how confidently Colangelo operates within what seems to be one of the most precarious franchises in the NBA given that it's still viewed as a foreign land to most American players. There are many challenges for anyone holding this position, and BC has shown his ability to make decisions that have potential upside but also maintain longterm flexibility.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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My only concern now is he's still obsessed with Bargnani in the frontcourt, but he has yet to figure out a way to make it work. I'm not here to say it can't work. Just that if our GM is stuck on the idea, he better figure out soon how to make it work.
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My only concern now is he's still obsessed with Bargnani in the frontcourt, but he has yet to figure out a way to make it work. I'm not here to say it can't work. Just that if our GM is stuck on the idea, he better figure out soon how to make it work.
I'm not sure he hasn't figured out a way to work... I think bringing in a defensive-minded PF like Davis is proof of that.... but it takes time.

It seems that many fans can't understand that defensive centers with legitimate size don't just appear on your doorstep. Also, where would you put AB if not in your frontcourt? It's also not clear that BC is 'building around' AB like so many assume, but rather it seems like AB is another young talented piece that at this point is part of the future plans. It's not necessarily a linear trajectory like some assume.
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I'm not sure he hasn't figured out a way to work... I think bringing in a defensive-minded PF like Davis is proof of that.... but it takes time.

It seems that many fans can't understand that defensive centers with legitimate size don't just appear on your doorstep. Also, where would you put AB if not in your frontcourt? It's also not clear that BC is 'building around' AB like so many assume, but rather it seems like AB is another young talented piece that at this point is part of the future plans. It's not necessarily a linear trajectory like some assume.
Wow spot on with that assessment!!!

You don't write for espn do u?
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I'm not sure he hasn't figured out a way to work... I think bringing in a defensive-minded PF like Davis is proof of that.... but it takes time.

It seems that many fans can't understand that defensive centers with legitimate size don't just appear on your doorstep. Also, where would you put AB if not in your frontcourt? It's also not clear that BC is 'building around' AB like so many assume, but rather it seems like AB is another young talented piece that at this point is part of the future plans. It's not necessarily a linear trajectory like some assume.
Building "around" AB refers to having to hide his poor defence with whoever he plays with. If we want Bargs in the lineup as a go-to offensive guy, which is fine, then we sure as hell need to hide him.

Do we really wait around a couple of years to see if ED is capable of being that guy? We'd need ED to bulk up.

If these big C's don't show up on your doorstep, then how exactly has BC been expecting to use Bargs for the past 5yrs? He's the GM. Was his plan to wait around for Ed Davis to luckily fall in the draft and then let him develop over a few years, like most big men? Not much of a plan. What year is he aiming to contend?
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Wow spot on with that assessment!!!

You don't write for espn do u?
If you know anyone there, pass along this sample....

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Building "around" AB refers to having to hide his poor defence with whoever he plays with. If we want Bargs in the lineup as a go-to offensive guy, which is fine, then we sure as hell need to hide him.

Do we really wait around a couple of years to see if ED is capable of being that guy? We'd need ED to bulk up.

If these big C's don't show up on your doorstep, then how exactly has BC been expecting to use Bargs for the past 5yrs? He's the GM. Was his plan to wait around for Ed Davis to luckily fall in the draft and then let him develop over a few years, like most big men? Not much of a plan. What year is he aiming to contend?
You say it like every new GM comes in with a 5 year plan and 80% of them win a title in year 5. When is Portland winning theirs? Utah? Chicago is finally taking a step (it seems).... Denver? Houston? Atlanta? Winning year in and year out comes from stabilizing a franchise and building a program. It takes time, but it seems like this team has one and looks to be building towards a stable winning culture.
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You say it like every new GM comes in with a 5 year plan and 80% of them win a title in year 5. When is Portland winning theirs? Utah? Chicago is finally taking a step (it seems).... Denver? Houston? Atlanta? Winning year in and year out comes from stabilizing a franchise and building a program. It takes time, but it seems like this team has one and looks to be building towards a stable winning culture.
I'm not even talking now about winning a title. I'm talking about setting up Bargnani to succeed. He needs to play with a defensive player in the frontcourt. Not Reggie Evans. Amir Johnson. Not a rookie. Heck, he should have signed Darko to his multi-year deal, just for the sake of getting Bargnani a player to try to succeed with. Right now we're just spinning our wheels. We'll go into next season wondering if Bargs just needs a defensive C to succeed. same question as last offseason.
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I'm not even talking now about winning a title. I'm talking about setting up Bargnani to succeed. He needs to play with a defensive player in the frontcourt. Not Reggie Evans. Amir Johnson. Not a rookie. Heck, he should have signed Darko to his multi-year deal, just for the sake of getting Bargnani a player to try to succeed with. Right now we're just spinning our wheels. We'll go into next season wondering if Bargs just needs a defensive C to succeed. same question as last offseason.
you most definitely could be right. I just think Davis, Johnson and AB are showing that they have the potential and ability to grow into a solid frontman rotation. They may not shut down frontcourt heavy teams, but they are capable of competing if they can all become more consistent.

More often than not, it's our perimeter/wings that have been the problem. We're seeing growth spurts from DD, and if we can find a SF... this team has a competitive future.
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