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Old 12-27-2011, 08:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was watching Behind the draft today and Colangelo said that they had a lot of interest and offers for the #5 pick and he stated that some included a "Star Type" player. Now i believe that's some selling going on, but i wonder who was interseted in that pick and what was being offered? Anyone have any thoughts on who that may have been?

And i also found it interseting that he was trying to aquire a 2nd round pick to get Corey Joseph.
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Rudy Gay.
that's actually who came to my mind. then i thought maybe OJ Mayo who isn't a borderline star but might be in the future.
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If Colangelo turned down Rudy Gay for our pick, then somebody needs to be fired. No knock on Jonas, but there isn't one player in that draft who would ever come close to Rudy's caliber.
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If Colangelo turned down Rudy Gay for our pick, then somebody needs to be fired. No knock on Jonas, but there isn't one player in that draft who would ever come close to Rudy's caliber.
Hard to say, but yeah i'd have to agree. Just wonder who was being offered.
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DK, sorry, but how do you know there isn't a player in the draft who will come close to Rudy Gay's ability? And when did Rudy Gay become this great player? He's a nice player on a terrible contract.

IF, and this is a big IF, Jonas turns out to be as good as he projects to be, a star type of Center, who can play defense and control the interior offence, is worth far, far more than a fringe all-star SF.
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We're going hard in the draft we don't need no star players
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DK, sorry, but how do you know there isn't a player in the draft who will come close to Rudy Gay's ability? And when did Rudy Gay become this great player? He's a nice player on a terrible contract.

IF, and this is a big IF, Jonas turns out to be as good as he projects to be, a star type of Center, who can play defense and control the interior offence, is worth far, far more than a fringe all-star SF.
You're right, there is a chance one of these rookies steps up and becomes a star player in the league. But as of right now, I don't see anyone becoming as good a player as Rudy. Maybe Kyrie or D-Will, but we'll see.

I think you're underrating him a little bit, Claud. He's a lot more than a "nice" player. Gay is the kind of guy you can build a team around: athletic, above-average scorer, solid defender. Most importantly, he's a closer, something most teams lack. He's everything I'm hoping DeMar turns out to be.

I will agree, however, that having an All-Star center is probably a better asset to have than an All-Star forward. But either situation would be welcomed.
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Also, this behind the draft stuff is brilliant from a marketing the team perspective. You're telling you're fanbase, hey, see draft picks are relevant. See, if we wanted to, we could turn this around quickly.

BC is great a selling us hope.
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You're right, there is a chance one of these rookies steps up and becomes a star player in the league. But as of right now, I don't see anyone becoming as good a player as Rudy. Maybe Kyrie or D-Will, but we'll see.
Short term thinking. I could say this about every single year. I don't see this guy becoming as good as x,y,z. And if you're right, you played the game of averages.

To me, young rookies are key, for the simple reason is they haven't developed bad NBA habits yet. You may not get a great player, but you can get a player you can mold into a player who fits your system (think of a guy like Landry Fields).

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I think you're underrating him a little bit, Claud. He's a lot more than a "nice" player. Gay is the kind of guy you can build a team around: athletic, above-average scorer, solid defender. Most importantly, he's a closer, something most teams lack. He's everything I'm hoping DeMar turns out to be.
Really, Gay is the type of guy you would build your team around? Athletic. Yes. But he's not the smartest guy out there and what happens when that athleticism disappears (which almost always does with these type of wing players)? I would say average (I guess that's what you mean by solid) defender and he benefitted greatly from Z-Bo creating space for him. Without him, I wonder about his struggles.

And I dispute the term closer as I've never understood what it means (it seemingly came out of thin air when people describe Kobe). I assume you mean he's a closer on the offensive end? I mean, just looking at his clutch stats, he's actually a bit of a defensive liability. But that's closing right?

A guy like D. Rose, I consider more of a 'closer' as he's able to do it offensively and defensively. That's what a team needs. So, I don't really consider him a closer (cue youtube clip of him beating the Raptors to try and prove me wrong)

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I will agree, however, that having an All-Star center is probably a better asset to have than an All-Star forward. But either situation would be welcomed.
Running an offense inside-out is far easier than outside in. If I can get a big who I can run an offense through to make things easier for my wing guys, I'll take that 10 out of 10 times. It's what made the Bargnani/Bosh thing so infuriating. If they were both post players, our team would've been far far different and more deadly and bringing in Turkoglu would've made more sense. But instead, both were perimeter based. So yeah, to me, a young big who plays inside is far more ideal.
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i believe there were rumours about our draft being traded for tony parker or something
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Short term thinking. I could say this about every single year. I don't see this guy becoming as good as x,y,z. And if you're right, you played the game of averages.

To me, young rookies are key, for the simple reason is they haven't developed bad NBA habits yet. You may not get a great player, but you can get a player you can mold into a player who fits your system (think of a guy like Landry Fields).

Really, Gay is the type of guy you would build your team around? Athletic. Yes. But he's not the smartest guy out there and what happens when that athleticism disappears (which almost always does with these type of wing players)? I would say average (I guess that's what you mean by solid) defender and he benefitted greatly from Z-Bo creating space for him. Without him, I wonder about his struggles.

And I dispute the term closer as I've never understood what it means (it seemingly came out of thin air when people describe Kobe). I assume you mean he's a closer on the offensive end? I mean, just looking at his clutch stats, he's actually a bit of a defensive liability. But that's closing right?

A guy like D. Rose, I consider more of a 'closer' as he's able to do it offensively and defensively. That's what a team needs. So, I don't really consider him a closer (cue youtube clip of him beating the Raptors to try and prove me wrong)

Running an offense inside-out is far easier than outside in. If I can get a big who I can run an offense through to make things easier for my wing guys, I'll take that 10 out of 10 times. It's what made the Bargnani/Bosh thing so infuriating. If they were both post players, our team would've been far far different and more deadly and bringing in Turkoglu would've made more sense. But instead, both were perimeter based. So yeah, to me, a young big who plays inside is far more ideal.
First of all, I would definitely build my team around Rudy Gay, especially over anyone else on our current team. He's not a guy who's going to get All-NBA first teams, but he's the kinda of guy I would like to have my offense run through. He can get to the basket almost at will and his jumpshot has really come along way to the point where he can consistently knock it down. He demands attention on the offensive end, which opens things up for everyone.

Not sure what you mean by a defensive closer. Defense is all about playing as a team. Not one guy on any team is gonna single handedly stop the Kobe's and Lebron's by himself. If you're talking about being a good on-ball defender than Rudy is definitely more than capable of staying in front of his man, whether its at the end of the game or the start.

What kind of bad NBA habits are we talking? Rookies have downsides as well, you never know what you're gonna get night in and night out. Players like Gay are already established NBA stars and are gonna bring it every night.

So let's say hypothetically you were given the choice between Lebron and Howard, you would choose Howard? I don't know about that, guess it depends on the type of team you're surrounding them with and the preferred play-style. With Howard, you're going to depend heavily on you're three point shooting. Lebron, with the attention he attracts on the perimeter, opens up the paint area which lead to easier buckets. Also, with Lebron you can have the option of a more effective transition game, where as Howard is most effective when you slow the ball down and play half court ball. All about preference I guess.

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Old 12-28-2011, 08:56 AM   #13 (permalink)
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rudy gay is nice complementary player that's not worth his 15-20 million. yup.
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i think spurs would have been amongst the bidder for the 5th pick.

i think they offer parker + 29th for 5th + jose, i suppose.
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I also think MIL could have sent an offer for Brandon Jennings after they got Hill.
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BC's man crush on Bargs lowers the bar in terms of his interpretation of a star player.
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i look into this as either BC having plans to move one of our current bigs(bargnani or ed) or the player offered was a "hedo poopolu" calibre player if i may quote the great rasheed wallace and only a star calibre player in bryan's eyes(yet not star enough to pry away bargnani's or ed's replacement)
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BC's man crush on Bargs lowers the bar in terms of his interpretation of a star player.
He's never called him a star player.
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He's never called him a star player.
his treatment of him suggests it
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his treatment of him suggests it
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