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Old 02-15-2011, 04:10 PM   #41 (permalink)
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i don't understand why the reason people say if we drafted roy we would be in a bad situation because of his injuries. when injuries happen they are isolated events. if toronto drafted him you can't say he's gonna get injured just cuz he got injured in portland. things would have turned out differently. he would have been on a diff team, playing diff players, diff schedule, diff city, etc etc. so unless everything would have turned out exactly the same way if the raps drafted him u can just say oh we would be screwed if we drafted roy.
the only arguement you could have is that roy wasn't considered a top 3 pick that year so can't blame anyone for not drafting him.
also to clarify, Bargs was not a consenus #1 pick, if my memory serves me correctly it was pretty divided between LA and AB with slightly more going to LA
so it is a fair point to say, imagine if we got LA
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:13 PM   #42 (permalink)
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i don't understand why the reason people say if we drafted roy we would be in a bad situation because of his injuries. when injuries happen they are isolated events. if toronto drafted him you can't say he's gonna get injured just cuz he got injured in portland. things would have turned out differently. he would have been on a diff team, playing diff players, diff schedule, diff city, etc etc. so unless everything would have turned out exactly the same way if the raps drafted him u can just say oh we would be screwed if we drafted roy.
the only arguement you could have is that roy wasn't considered a top 3 pick that year so can't blame anyone for not drafting him.
also to clarify, Bargs was not a consenus #1 pick, if my memory serves me correctly it was pretty divided between LA and AB with slightly more going to LA
so it is a fair point to say, imagine if we got LA
Tyrus Thomas and Morrison got some consideration as top picks too, so it's even more fair to ask what if we had taken one of them as well.

Yes Roy might not have injured both fragile knees here, but it was his knees that made teams in the top 5 pass on him, so it's likely that the medical reports suggesting he was a health risk were quite accurate, and given that, yeah he likely would have two bum knees at this point had we picked him.
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i don't understand why the reason people say if we drafted roy we would be in a bad situation because of his injuries. when injuries happen they are isolated events. if toronto drafted him you can't say he's gonna get injured just cuz he got injured in portland. things would have turned out differently. he would have been on a diff team, playing diff players, diff schedule, diff city, etc etc. so unless everything would have turned out exactly the same way if the raps drafted him u can just say oh we would be screwed if we drafted roy.
the only arguement you could have is that roy wasn't considered a top 3 pick that year so can't blame anyone for not drafting him.
also to clarify, Bargs was not a consenus #1 pick, if my memory serves me correctly it was pretty divided between LA and AB with slightly more going to LA
so it is a fair point to say, imagine if we got vLAh
Dude, he had knee problems 5yrs ago. His injury wasn't due to one specific play it's due to wear and tear on knees that have had issues for years. He has no cartlige, nothing done here or anywhere else would have changed that.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:20 PM   #44 (permalink)
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toronto is not at all 'sooooo bad' at making draft picks. that's simply not true. i'm not sure, anyways, how a franchise can be bad at something like that. it's not like the macot makes that draft choices. it depends on what general manager and staff are in place at the time. colangelo has a very good trade record.

roy would have been a poor pick since he's pretty much done already, and aldridge was completely redundant at the time. gay is the only other reasonable choice at the time, and quite frankly i'm glad we're not the ones paying him a max salary right now.
OMGGGGGG u have to be kidding be rite now. I see comments all over this site, saying that we should get iggy and etc... and the funny thing is we could have got him, instead of drafting rafael arajuao or watever, who did not help us at all. Drafting Demar and Ed, were very good picks, but in recent years, i havent seen better.


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O'neal went on to help take Miami to the playoffs, and we'd be in a brutal spot if we had selected Roy..... Imagine if we had selected Morrison, Thomas or Sheldon Williams too. Only then are you actually being credible.
How would we be in a brutal spot had we selected Roy? He and Bosh would have ran things nicely in TO, and would be a huge contender, and maybe Bosh would have still been in toronto. I dont think the Raptors could be any worse if they had picked Roy. They would have been much better, instead of drafting andrea.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:22 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Injuries are injuries , theres no way to avoid them. Bosh was injured, and roy would be injured at 1 point if he did come to Toronto. But i would rather us have 2 injured all stars, would still make a return, and play nicely together, then Bargnani.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:28 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Tyrus Thomas and Morrison got some consideration as top picks too, so it's even more fair to ask what if we had taken one of them as well.
Yeah, let's compare the worst case scenario instead of the best case scenario. Both Rudy Gay and LA are both No. 1 options in their respective teams, and both teams are in playoff contention in the tough west. Oh, but Bargnani is adjusting to his new role as their No. 1 option, and the team is decimated with injuries. Can Aldridge say the same thing. Roy was their No. 1 option, Aldridge is having no problem as their No. 1 option. Also, Portland has lost Roy, Oden, Camby, and Miller for extensive period of time this year. However, Portland is 7 games above .500 and Toronto is the third worst team in the NBA. Let's just say BC made a huge mistake. One of the main reasons why this team is rebuilding.
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Yeah, let's compare the worst case scenario instead of the best case scenario. Both Rudy Gay and LA are both No. 1 options in their respective teams, and both teams are in playoff contention in the tough west. Oh, but Bargnani is adjusting to his new role as their No. 1 option, and the team is decimated with injuries. Can Aldridge say the same thing. Roy was their No. 1 option, Aldridge is having no problem as their No. 1 option. Also, Portland has lost Roy, Oden, Camby, and Miller for extensive period of time this year. However, Portland is 7 games above .500 and Toronto is the third worst team in the NBA. Let's just say BC made a huge mistake. One of the main reasons why this team is rebuilding.
For the record, I didn't say only compare worst case... I made the point that we should be looking at it more than simply if we had taken player A. You're being narrowminded if you think you fail to recognize that 5 four other teams passed on Roy, and even more on Gay. Yes Aldridge is playing out of his mind, but most on here still refuse to recognize him as a top PF.

Maybe Aldridge would have been a better pick, but you're assuming hindsight is a draft tool
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:46 PM   #48 (permalink)
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For the record, I didn't say only compare worst case... I made the point that we should be looking at it more than simply if we had taken player A. You're being narrowminded if you think you fail to recognize that 5 four other teams passed on Roy, and even more on Gay. Yes Aldridge is playing out of his mind, but most on here still refuse to recognize him as a top PF.

Maybe Aldridge would have been a better pick, but you're assuming hindsight is a draft tool
When you are bring out names like Morrison and Tyrus Thomas you are bringing out the worst case scenario. Chris Bosh did push for Aldridge, but BC made up his mind already. And yes, Aldridge deserves to be an all-star based not only on his stats and leadership, but the record of his team.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:52 PM   #50 (permalink)
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When you are bring out names like Morrison and Tyrus Thomas you are bringing out the worst case scenario. Chris Bosh did push for Aldridge, but BC made up his mind already. And yes, Aldridge deserves to be an all-star based not only on his stats and leadership, but the record of his team.
wrong... when I'm bringing up names like thomas and morrison, I am bringing up the third and fourth picks of the draft, both of whom went ahead of Roy and Gay.

Hey man, I've been on the LA bandwagon all season after doubting him previously. He's made a huge jump this year. But at the time, there was no consensus top pick.... it was a weak draft and the supposedly highest upside guy went 8th.

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lmfao I think this thread needs a title change :P
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:30 PM   #52 (permalink)
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lmfao I think this thread needs a title change :P
+1... I think Triano is doing a solid job, he's got these guys playing hard in a rebuilding period. Better? lol
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:55 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Oh, but Bargnani is adjusting to his new role as their No. 1 option, and the team is decimated with injuries. Can Aldridge say the same thing. Roy was their No. 1 option, Aldridge is having no problem as their No. 1 option. Also, Portland has lost Roy, Oden, Camby, and Miller for extensive period of time this year. However, Portland is 7 games above .500 and Toronto is the third worst team in the NBA. Let's just say BC made a huge mistake. One of the main reasons why this team is rebuilding.
The difference is that Bargnani WANTED to play for Toronto.
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Old 02-16-2011, 01:32 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I have nothing against Bargnani.Hes a good player. His just not a franchise player and wont do us any good the fact that he is our #1 guy.,and for us to probably get someone good, probably means were gonna have to deal him away.
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I have nothing against Bargnani.Hes a good player. His just not a franchise player and wont do us any good the fact that he is our #1 guy.,and for us to probably get someone good, probably means were gonna have to deal him away.
that's flawed logic.... he's not getting paid like a franchise player, and there are many ways we could get other players.
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