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jeffb 10-02-2012 07:45 PM

Colangelo wants to see Valanciunas starting
 
Here is an interview BC did tonight on the Fan590, says he wants to throw JV into the fire but that it's up to Casey and what he thinks is best. For what it's worth Casey today stated that he wanted to throw him into the fire as well, so it looks like Valanciunas will be our starter to start the season (if healthy) unless he simply looks lost in pre-season.

He also said the playoffs would be great but we'll see. Interestingly enough he said he's waiting for a deal for a player that can make a good team to very good team.

Bryan Colangelo on PTS - sportsnet.ca

Toby 10-02-2012 07:48 PM

Run a spread offense with Bargs at Center.

oh wait... It's not the 2010 Raptors anymore.

LX 10-02-2012 07:49 PM

Bolded and underlined? Like it's something new?

DonMughal 10-02-2012 08:14 PM

I think every team is waiting for that lol. Nothing big.

DocHoliday99 10-02-2012 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 684794)
Here is an interview BC did tonight on the Fan590, says he wants to throw JV into the fire but that it's up to Casey and what he thinks is best. For what it's worth Casey today stated that he wanted to throw him into the fire as well, so it looks like Valanciunas will be our starter to start the season (if healthy) unless he simply looks lost in pre-season.

He also said the playoffs would be great but we'll see. Interestingly enough he said he's waiting for a deal for a player that can make a good team to very good team.

Bryan Colangelo on PTS - sportsnet.ca

No surprise about JV IMO, the team can't really wait for him so the fire is a good thing to me. As for the deal, I like that the team is still pursuing something now and not waiting for the deadline.

Thanks for the post.

Metallikid 10-02-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 684796)
Bolded and underlined? Like it's something new?

While the sentiment isn't new, I think what he's really getting at is that one way or another there's going to be a fairly transformative trade this season and out of that trade he's going to be strongly pushing for another near all-star calibre player to go with Bargs, JoVal and Lowry. Everyone else is trade bait if we can land let's say, a JSmoove at the deadline, or perhaps a Rudy Gay if the Grizz aren't where they thought they would be, or even a Tyreke Evans.

moremilk 10-02-2012 10:06 PM

I think you pretty much have to start him, because otherwise it will be nearly impossible to find minutes for ed, and this is a critical season for davis.

If gray starts, and you give him 16m and you give JV another 18, with 38 for andrea, that leaves 24 minutes for amir and ed, and that's not even counting linas, who's definitely going to see some minutes at the 4 in special situations.

Even accounting for injuries, you're basically sacrificing ed if you start gray.

jeffb 10-02-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk (Post 684825)

Even accounting for injuries, you're basically sacrificing ed if you start gray.

I think you sacrifice Amir moreso than Ed since he'll be playing more Center than PF. Casey mentioned today that there will be games where Gray doesn't play at all. I have a feeling that the Center position will mostly be split between Amir & Valanciunas. That leaves Davis backing up Bargnani for approximately 15min (maybe a little less). Gray might be taking a much lesser role this season baring injuries.

LX 10-02-2012 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Metallikid (Post 684807)
While the sentiment isn't new, I think what he's really getting at is that one way or another there's going to be a fairly transformative trade this season and out of that trade he's going to be strongly pushing for another near all-star calibre player to go with Bargs, JoVal and Lowry. Everyone else is trade bait if we can land let's say, a JSmoove at the deadline, or perhaps a Rudy Gay if the Grizz aren't where they thought they would be, or even a Tyreke Evans.

He's talked about it so long and so much that he really has this season to make it happen, and it had better be really good. I really grow tired of having my expectations raised like that, especially when he should be continuing to build a team foundation. And hopefully that is where his head is truly at, but the way he words things is all about selling hype at a bit of a premium, and the words themselves don't stand up much anymore, and threaten to undermine his actions when he finally does make a deal.

Superjudge 10-02-2012 10:43 PM

What would you prefer to read? What is your advice....honestly, don't hold back.

Should the GM of a pro team not speak optimistically about both his new player and his teams goals for a season that lies ahead?

"selling hype" "words not standing up" Honestly man, it's just pro sports, its a show, there isn't a single production on the planet that rolls out the new Show by telling the audience the actors arent very good, and that they are hoping that they are on course to maybe having a good show next year, or the year after. It's not important. It's sports entertainment. Maybe relax?

box92 10-02-2012 11:05 PM

well thats good to know, hopefully he gets tons of pt

LX 10-03-2012 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 684833)
What would you prefer to read? What is your advice....honestly, don't hold back.

Should the GM of a pro team not speak optimistically about both his new player and his teams goals for a season that lies ahead?

"selling hype" "words not standing up" Honestly man, it's just pro sports, its a show, there isn't a single production on the planet that rolls out the new Show by telling the audience the actors arent very good, and that they are hoping that they are on course to maybe having a good show next year, or the year after. It's not important. It's sports entertainment. Maybe relax?

Where did I say speaking optimistically was a problem? Over-hyping, and over-selling and over-promising could very well be a problem, especially when it's been a problem that clearly has not served him well in the past. Now I have to take some blame for buying into all of his promises and sales jobs in the past. That said, what I'd really like to see now (and this not presumed to be my advice unless you want to try to be a dick about it, but rather just my viewpoint as a fan) is a GM that continues to preach about the groundwork being laid for long term future success. He could suggest that there will be some good signs of progress and that there's always the chance to surprise. But to always talk about the big transformative deal repeatedly over such a long period of time (remember he started down that road before Bosh left) sounds a bit too much like a guy that is not all that secure in his job, and could easily cause people to be unimpressed when a deal finally is made, and when considering what is going to have to be given up turns out to not look incredibly transformative. Now I can't blame him if he is not secure in his position, I just think it sucks and could lead to real problems. It would be wonderful if he could feel secure enough in saying that he is carrying out a plan, that there will be more moves in the making this season, and that step by step they look to build something that will succeed for some time to come. Especially considering how so many past promises brought disappointment.

RAPMAN 10-03-2012 10:34 AM

I am tired of hearing all the sales pitches of BC. I just tune him off. For example, BC selling on the amazing trade exception we received on the Bosh Trade. Yes, it was used to facilitate some minor trades (Bayless), but the majority of that trade exception just expired. The great salary cap flexibility the Raptors had (Barbosa for second round pick) and the possible amnesty of Calderon to obtain a impact player with a big contract on draft night. Another sales pitch that blew off in the wind. Like all annoying salespeople, shut the door or hang up the phone!

LX 10-03-2012 11:08 AM

Another real problem for me with this interview - talking about wanting to see Valanciunas starting. Why? It sounds like meddling again before training camp even gets going in full. You hired a coach. It's great that you say it's up to him, but really now he needs to be able to respond to expectations the GM threw out there. Casey said that he doesn't have anybody slotted yet, aside from maybe Andrea. That's the way it should be. There needs to be real competition, at least through much of training camp and pre-season. I really don't see the point in infringing on that as a concept. You hired a real nice coach - let him do his job.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 10-03-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 684902)
You hired a real nice coach - let him do his job.

Agreed.

Superjudge 10-03-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 684895)
Where did I say speaking optimistically was a problem? Over-hyping, and over-selling and over-promising could very well be a problem, especially when it's been a problem that clearly has not served him well in the past. Now I have to take some blame for buying into all of his promises and sales jobs in the past. That said, what I'd really like to see now (and this not presumed to be my advice unless you want to try to be a dick about it, but rather just my viewpoint as a fan) is a GM that continues to preach about the groundwork being laid for long term future success. He could suggest that there will be some good signs of progress and that there's always the chance to surprise. But to always talk about the big transformative deal repeatedly over such a long period of time (remember he started down that road before Bosh left) sounds a bit too much like a guy that is not all that secure in his job, and could easily cause people to be unimpressed when a deal finally is made, and when considering what is going to have to be given up turns out to not look incredibly transformative. Now I can't blame him if he is not secure in his position, I just think it sucks and could lead to real problems. It would be wonderful if he could feel secure enough in saying that he is carrying out a plan, that there will be more moves in the making this season, and that step by step they look to build something that will succeed for some time to come. Especially considering how so many past promises brought disappointment.

1. No need to call me a dick, I got banned for using the same word with you.

2. You're not looking at this the way I am. It's his job to sell it that way, he is expected to. It doesn't, and won't keep you or any other die hard fan happy, but die hard fans are only about 5% of the fan base, the rest are casual people out to see a little hoops and take in an NBA game. I will use the same comparison again with live Theatre. While many Theatre fans attend shows down on King Street, the majority are one off visitors, who will see maybe one show every few years. You need to create a positive and exciting vibe or you won 't get any interest from these fans. With sports its really not that different. You have to create a facade of awesomeness, if you don't your attendance numbers will drop like a brick. We crazy as fuck superfans aren't really their concern as we will bitch and complain and cry foul when the guy talks about how awesome this team is, but, we will also watch every game, go to any we can afford, and basically talk everyday on a message board, happy or angry.

Sales is sales, marketing is marketing. They do what they do because that is what they must do. The odd tidbit of caution is tossed out al the time by Colangelo, you can't argue that, and those tiny little tidbits.... they are designed for you, and for the media. The rest is pageantry and snake oil.... its always was, always will be.

Thats what I'm saying yo. And please, no need to call me a dick ok, I wasn't trying to be mean, I was only making a point.

Superjudge 10-03-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! (Post 684906)
Agreed.

I can only assume you guys don't think the GM and the Coach, and all his assistants don't talk about this stuff, or talk about what they would consider talking about with the press.

They all want JV starting, he's good, and he's better than the guys already there. It isn't a secret. The only question mark is how good can he get....average NBA center or upper level.

LX 10-03-2012 05:04 PM

I did not in any way mean to call you a dick SJ. I just wasn't entirely certain that you weren't just making it your point to make me out like a presumptive asshole. I responded to your post in the hopes that wasn't the case, and I'm glad to see that you do not want to be a dick about it.

I hope I clarified my point, and was glad to have the opportunity. And I do get your point, I just think he overdoes it, and that puts a lot on him to deliver when he doesn't have that much of a window to do so, not just where fans are concerned, but the new ownership as well.

DocHoliday99 10-03-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 684924)
I can only assume you guys don't think the GM and the Coach, and all his assistants don't talk about this stuff, or talk about what they would consider talking about with the press.

They all want JV starting, he's good, and he's better than the guys already there. It isn't a secret. The only question mark is how good can he get....average NBA center or upper level.

this

DocHoliday99 10-03-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 684921)
2. You're not looking at this the way I am. It's his job to sell it that way, he is expected to. It doesn't, and won't keep you or any other die hard fan happy, but die hard fans are only about 5% of the fan base, the rest are casual people out to see a little hoops and take in an NBA game. I will use the same comparison again with live Theatre. While many Theatre fans attend shows down on King Street, the majority are one off visitors, who will see maybe one show every few years. You need to create a positive and exciting vibe or you won 't get any interest from these fans. With sports its really not that different. You have to create a facade of awesomeness, if you don't your attendance numbers will drop like a brick. We crazy as fuck superfans aren't really their concern as we will bitch and complain and cry foul when the guy talks about how awesome this team is, but, we will also watch every game, go to any we can afford, and basically talk everyday on a message board, happy or angry.

Sales is sales, marketing is marketing. They do what they do because that is what they must do. The odd tidbit of caution is tossed out al the time by Colangelo, you can't argue that, and those tiny little tidbits.... they are designed for you, and for the media. The rest is pageantry and snake oil.... its always was, always will be.

This...

.....sums up the world of Pro Sports


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