Colangelo: Raps considered Leonard at #5 in 2011

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Old 06-11-2014, 10:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Raptors Colangelo: Raps considered Leonard at #5 in 2011

If you had to do it over knowing what you know now, who would you rather have?

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Bryan Colangelo revealed Wednesday that the Toronto Raptors considered Kawhi Leonard with the No. 5 overall pick in the 2011 NBA Draft.

Colangelo said Leonard was "definitely on the list," but the former Raptors' general manager said selecting him would have been a tough sell.

The Raptors selected Jonas Valanciunas with the No. 5 pick.

Leonard scored 29 points in the San Antonio Spurs' Game 3 win over the Miami Heat on Tuesday.
Bryan Colangelo Raptors Considered Drafting Kawhi Leonard At No 5 - RealGM Wiretap
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not sure why this is news now. Seems like he's just trying to get in the news again. I'm sure GMs consider everyone that has the kind of talent that enables them to be considered in a specific drafting range. Who cares if he was considered? It's a pretty useless article premise.

On the question of who I'd rather have, it's Val every time. When he becomes a double double center with years of experience, he'll have more value and be more of an impact player than Kawhi IMO, and honestly that doesn't even matter, because if Kawhi didn't go to SAS who knows how he would have developed. If he was in a losing situation and developed bad habits he may have just gone by the wasteside.

Also, don't forget that SAS tried to trade up for Val during the draft. They wanted him badly too.

I love both Kawhi and Vals games, but I'd still take Val going forward.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pretty sure this was well known around the time of the draft.

No way he would've developed his game here the way he has in SA.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hind sight is great.....I believe Babs said he was going to draft AI2 but others in the Raps organization steered him wrong...all said sometime after he was canned.
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Hind sight is great.....I believe Babs said he was going to draft AI2 but others in the Raps organization steered him wrong...all said sometime after he was canned.
who??
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Babcock. And Andre Iguodala. Not sure which name you are questioning.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Babcock. Iguodala.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:50 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Babcock. And Andre Iguodala. Not sure which name you are questioning.
I had A12 throwing me off.
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Old 06-13-2014, 02:44 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Leonard looks better than he is because he plays on the Spurs. Put him on the Raptors and you have DeRozan. Put JV on the spurs and you have hakeem
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Old 06-13-2014, 03:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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If we drafted Kawhi on 2011, we would have drafted Drummond with our 8th pick (assuming we blew our 2011-12 season as bad)... In this case, we would have had a lineup of:
Lowry-DD-Kawhi-Amir-Drummond...
Though I still believe Ross and JV are good players, but I would rather have Kawhi-Drummond over Ross-JV.
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Leonard looks better than he is because he plays on the Spurs. Put him on the Raptors and you have DeRozan. Put JV on the spurs and you have hakeem
It really does depend on the situation and the style of play. Because Kawhi plays on the Spurs I really can't get a good handle on exactly how good he really is. His value definitely increases being on that team. Look at someone like Matt Bonner, on the Raptors he is basically a garbage player, but on the Spurs he can be a decent bench player because of the team style defense and the ball movement leading to open 3s. Or look at someone like Splitter, on the Spurs he starts the majority of games but on another team who knows if he is even a rotation guy.

I'm not saying Kawhi sucks if he's not on the Spurs but it's hard to gauge his true value. I cant say that any of his physical attributes or his defensive ability would not really change being on another team.

As an overall package and on a regular team I'd say DeMar is more valuable.
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As an overall package and on a regular team I'd say DeMar is more valuable.
What does Demar do better than Kawhi, if anything?
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What does Demar do better than Kawhi, if anything?
Draw fouls. Make plays.

But I think his deficiencies far outweigh those limited things he does better than Kawhi.
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Draw fouls. Make plays.

But I think his deficiencies far outweigh those limited things he does better than Kawhi.
I think even those two things are debatable given what we've seen from Kawhi year to year. If given more touches, who's to say he wouldn't be able to draw as many if not more fouls? And Kawhi has already shown a great feel for the game, and shown he's a capable ball handler on screen rolls and on isolation plays.

Kawhi has become a monster with very few flaws in his game in a small period of time. His defensive ability alone makes him a better player than Derozan.

I know you're not arguing, but it just strikes me as amazing that Admiral actually believes what he said. If you replaced Kawhi with Demar in this series, you'd see an entirely different result.
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Old 06-14-2014, 04:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Anyone that votes Val here is doing so with rose colored glasses. Kawhi is a top 20 player right now. Val is still a project.
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Pretty sure this was well known around the time of the draft.

No way he would've developed his game here the way he has in SA.
You guys are discrediting this fact. Kawhi does not become the Kawhi he is today in the Raptors organization. I'm not saying the Raps are bad at developing players, it's that the Spurs are damn good at development.
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Old 06-14-2014, 05:33 PM   #18 (permalink)
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You guys are discrediting this fact. Kawhi does not become the Kawhi he is today in the Raptors organization. I'm not saying the Raps are bad at developing players, it's that the Spurs are damn good at development.
Nobody knows. But another thing to consider is that JV is younger and has played one less season in the NBA at a tougher position to acclimate to and Kawhi has been in the playoffs 3 straights season. He is way ahead of JV in overall meaningful games/playoffs. He has over 50 playoff games under his belt.
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Nobody knows. But another thing to consider is that JV is younger and has played one less season in the NBA at a tougher position to acclimate to and Kawhi has been in the playoffs 3 straights season. He is way ahead of JV in overall meaningful games/playoffs. He has over 50 playoff games under his belt.
and JV tore it up in his first playoff series. Things looking bright for both. As you said, Kawhi is just further ahead on the learning curve
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