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jeffb 06-26-2012 07:44 PM

Colangelo pre-draft presser
 
Bryan Colangelo Pre-draft: Part 1 - June 26, 2012 | video | THE OFFICIAL SITE OF THE TORONTO RAPTORS

Don Vito 06-26-2012 07:49 PM

In summary: Endless possibilities & everything is up in the air.

DonMughal 06-26-2012 07:49 PM

Wish we could get some new news for once.

jeffb 06-26-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal (Post 657942)
Wish we could get some new news for once.

The next 48hrs should be interesting. :clapping:

DonMughal 06-26-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 657944)
The next 48hrs should be interesting. :clapping:

Damn straight :giggity:

Carlos Danger 06-26-2012 08:19 PM

Yup, next 48 will be awesome.

0nekhmer 06-26-2012 08:32 PM

Alright so im gonna drop low expectations so I don't cry when we miss the big names. I predict we get deng, pietrus, and draft a PG to play behind Jose :sigh:

Oh and our shooting problem will be addressed with the addition of scalabrine

monn7 06-26-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 0nekhmer (Post 657967)
Alright so im gonna drop low expectations so I don't cry when we miss the big names. I predict we get deng, pietrus, and draft a PG to play behind Jose :sigh:

Oh and our shooting problem will be addressed with the addition of scalabrine

I remember when they were talking about getting Nash or Kidd and we got ... Jarret Jack.

jeffb 06-26-2012 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by monn7 (Post 657982)
I remember when they were talking about getting Nash or Kidd and we got ... Jarret Jack.

Say what you want about Jarret Jack, but imo he was impressive when he took over in the 09-10 season when Jose got hurt. I believe we went 24-11 in the two months leading to the all-star break and were the third best team in that stretch.

I too though have a feeling we'll end up not getting Nash, Gay, Iggy, Lowry or Batum and will end up with Pietrus, Ilyasova type of players and keep our pick which will be bench fodder. But i guess that's just me bracing for the inevitable diapointment that usually hits us square in the teeth this time of year.

Alex 06-26-2012 09:06 PM

Part 3 he says he will be extending a qualifying offer to Bayless. Idk if this is news, but it's new to me.

jeffb 06-26-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 657986)
Part 3 he says he will be extending a qualifying offer to Bayless. Idk if this is news, but it's new to me.

Man, i pray he's not back! He said we currently have 11Mil capspace minus our #8, minus Valanciunas. Ultimately we don't have that much to play with from what i can tell unless we use the amnesty. Obviously it's enough to absorb a larger contract in a trade, but then what? He's going to have to get creative if he plans on doing anything of significance. To me aquiring Lowry makes the most sense just because his contract is extremely reasonable.

Alex 06-26-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 657988)
Man, i pray he's not back! He said we currently have 11Mil capspace minus our #8, minus Valanciunas. Ultimately we don't have that much to play with from what i can tell unless we use the amnesty. Obviously it's enough to absorb a larger contract in a trade, but then what? He's going to have to get creative if he plans on doing anything of significance. To me aquiring Lowry makes the most sense just because his contract is extremely reasonable.

I'm torn. I like the kid, and he's so fearless. But he makes some questionable decisions at times that really hurt.

jeffb 06-26-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 657991)
I'm torn. I like the kid, and he's so fearless. But he makes some questionable decisions at times that really hurt.

He's intriguing and yet scares the fuck out of me at times. He always seems like he thinks he should be the guy to take games over and tries to do too much and i don't know if/when he'll ever calm down and let the game come to him and know what decisions to make and when to make them. Putting it simply, he's a bonehead! I like his competitiveness and confidence but i cringe quite a bit when he's on the floor because you just don't know what to expect with him night to night. That could just be youth because he's still young but i just don't see him ever being a solid starter in the NBA long term and he's an inconsistent backup.

DonMughal 06-26-2012 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 658013)
He's intriguing and yet scares the fuck out of me at times. He always seems like he thinks he should be the guy to take games over and tries to do too much and i don't know if/when he'll ever calm down and let the game come to him and know what decisions to make and when to make them. Putting it simply, he's a bonehead! I like his competitiveness and confidence but i cringe quite a bit when he's on the floor because you just don't know what to expect with him night to night. That could just be youth because he's still young but i just don't see him ever being a solid starter in the NBA long term and he's an inconsistent backup.

IMO he was REALLY impressive during that stretch when he started. He put up 20+ points while also having decent assist numbers that people doubted he could put up. He also did have that "take over" mentality during the late stretches of those games and more often than not it worked out fine. But yeah I share your concern for his future, it's too hard to tell.

jeffb 06-26-2012 10:11 PM

How long has jim kelly been here?

dfunkie1 06-26-2012 10:28 PM

ever since he retired from football :cookie:

scout 1994

senior director of scouting 2001

DSWC 06-27-2012 01:22 AM

A few things about this...

In previous pressers, it's sounded like the Raptors' brass have been torn on whether or not to keep the pick. To me, it sounds like BC is in favour of trading the pick, while it's the other voices in the room that perhaps want to keep it. When it comes to the team though, BC has the final say, and that's what leads me to believe that this pick could very well be traded. If you listen to the way he talks too, he puts a pretty big emphasis on the "IF", when he talks about keeping the pick.

He has also used the word "accelerate" the building process, and to me, that sounds like trading the pick (whether in a package or not) for more immediate help. Quite honestly, this is the fault of the Raptors higher-ups, as they only gave him a two year extension. Yes, this puts the pressure on BC -which could be a good thing - but it also forces his hand a bit. If people want to blame BC for an accelerated rebuild, I would shift that blame to the people above his head, and not on him. He's trying to save his job, and you'd probably do the same thing too. I'm tired of losing too, and YES I'd like to see immediate results, but not at the expense of being right back in the same position in a couple of years.

It sounds like Ed Davis is coming back, same with Bayless... Those are a couple less trade pieces, unless BC gets an offer that he really likes, but he did mention them by name specifically.

Also, it sounds like there are 3 guys that BC REALLY likes... If I were to hazard a guess, Barnes is one of them, Beal may be the other (BC and DC have suggested that the team needs shooters), and it's just a guess, but the third may be Lillard, as he briefly answered the question about him (hiding his hand a bit?) but spent more time talking about PJ III. (Strictly speculation on my part) Lillard may not be the third guy, with the Bayless talk, either.

It sounds too, like BC thinks (and rightfully so) that it's time to do something in the East. He says some teams will be affected by injury (Chicago, etc), and some by free agency (Orlando, Brooklyn, Boston et. al), and besides Miami and Indy, who are on the way up, there is a lot of uncertainty in the division, and it is time to maybe cash in some chips, and hope to catch lightning in a bottle again.

Either way, I think that this was one of those BC press conferences where he maybe didn't say a lot, but if you listen to it in a week or two (after the draft and after free agency opens), what he happens will have meshed with what he said today.

DocHoliday99 06-27-2012 02:08 AM

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Bryan Colangelo has narrowed his list of preferred draft targets to three.

Were looking at a list that also includes players that if our guys are gone, we have to be prepared to make a decision, whether its moving the pick or keeping the pick, Colangelo said. The list is not just limited to those three, its evaluating players beyond those three.

League sources confirmed Toronto and Houston have had at least cursory discussions for the No. 8 pick.

I truly think there are some legs to some of the conversations because we might even be involved in some of those or at least feeling our way through some of the scenarios, Colangelo said.


Read more: Colangelo Narrows List To Three Open To Dealing No 8 Pick - RealGM Wiretap

LilRomeo 06-27-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 658028)
How long has jim kelly been here?

Not too long ago maybe. I remember he was an adviser for the PBA in the Philippines.

bozonic 06-27-2012 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 657944)
The next 48hrs should be interesting. :clapping:

nothing goin to happen...Bryan stuck on 8 as Jack might say :yeah:

draft Jones....best bet in Vegas


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