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Old 09-14-2012, 12:32 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Valuable pieces hahaha...
There were.
A valuable Piece:
DeRozan
A valuable Trade chip:
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A valuable expiring:
Gimpy Knee's
And a valuable future project:
Pick.

Seems like valuables :P
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:18 PM   #42 (permalink)
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There were.
A valuable Piece:
DeRozan
A valuable Trade chip:
Ed
A valuable expiring:
Gimpy Knee's
And a valuable future project:
Pick.

Seems like valuables :P
DeRozan will never be as complete as Iggy is, and is expiring this coming Summer.
Ed is a backup PF right now, and it's not as if we don't have enough of them.
Jose's knees are fine, it's his hammys. Regardless, he is a good player.
Yeah, a pick. If you think about the product post-trade compared to what we have now, it's much more skillful and balanced.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:36 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Kirby's 100% correct when he states that the Raps would be better balanced and more skillful post trade.

Personally I think BC passed cause Iggy wouldn't resign or commit to it - verbally of course. One phone call is all it would take for me to say no as well.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:47 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Personally I think BC passed cause Iggy wouldn't resign or commit to it - verbally of course. One phone call is all it would take for me to say no as well.
This.
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It's more insane to you to have to give up Ross over Derozan?
God yes.
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DeRozan will never be as complete as Iggy is, and is expiring this coming Summer.
Since you can apparently see the future, you must be right.
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Since you can apparently see the future, you must be right.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:44 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Since you can apparently see the future, you must be right.
First of all, it's opinion and speculation. Are you banking on blind hope that DeRozan becomes more complete than Iguodala? Please.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:02 AM   #49 (permalink)
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The proposed trade seems like a slight over payment, based soley on the draft picks. Derozan imo is not a starting SG in this league, in the same way Charlie V shouldn't be a starter in this league, both over hyped Raptors projects who score on low efficiency and don't impact other areas of the game.

Given the fact we already traded a future 1st for Lowry, this team shouldn't be considering trading any more 1st round picks, so good no trade i think.
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If we were to grab Iguodala to pair with Bargnani, and Lowry the pick would be a 20s pick anyway.

Man, Iguodala is perfect. He lets Bargs and Lowry score with his playmaking skills and is an all-world defender...
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Old 09-15-2012, 09:25 AM   #51 (permalink)
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If we were to grab Iguodala to pair with Bargnani, and Lowry the pick would be a 20s pick anyway.

Man, Iguodala is perfect. He lets Bargs and Lowry score with his playmaking skills and is an all-world defender...
We'd have one of the best defenders at the PG/SF positions and at Center if what's said about Valanciunas is to be believed.
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Old 09-15-2012, 09:34 AM   #52 (permalink)
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If we were to grab Iguodala to pair with Bargnani, and Lowry the pick would be a 20s pick anyway.

Man, Iguodala is perfect. He lets Bargs and Lowry score with his playmaking skills and is an all-world defender...
Again, if we grabbed Lowry the pick would not be tradeable. The scenario in which we could offer a pick is if Nash signed.
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Old 09-15-2012, 09:43 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Again, if we grabbed Lowry the pick would not be tradeable. The scenario in which we could offer a pick is if Nash signed.
What, we don't have future picks?
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What, we don't have future picks?
yeah, but we can't offer one till the houton is sorted out. can't remember why exactly but this came out around the time we made the lowry trade didn't it.
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not to mention that houston may not like the chance of that pick falling in the lottery any time soon ...

to me though, the biggest thing is that a package like that is worth a better player, comparable packages have netted multiple all stars lately, and even though it would be difficult to get a multiple all star to come here, I think it would be foolish to just throw those assets away like that. We're talking 3 of our last 4 lottery picks + a valuable starter in Jose.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:33 PM   #56 (permalink)
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What, we don't have future picks?
The problem is not that we're lacking future picks; it's that the protections of the Lowry pick, combined with CBA regulations, make it almost impossible for the Raptors to trade future picks until the pick to Houston has been conveyed.

Two CBA rules are important here.
1) a team is NOT allowed to go two years in a row without a first round pick.
2) a team can only trade a pick 7 years in advance. No further in advance.

Now,the pick to Houston is tied up from 2013-2018 due to the protections on it. That's 6 years. We don't know for sure when the pick will be conveyed during that stretch.

After the Lowry trade was completed, the Raps could not trade a future first to Philly because it could potentially violate the CBA rule of not being allowed to go two years in a row without a first round pick.

Suppose the trade paper work said "the Raptors will convey their first allowable pick to Philly", in order to avoid the two consecutive year rule. Well, that still wouldn't work because, if the Houston pick was not conveyed until 2018, then the Philly pick would get pushed to 2020 (first allowable year), and 2020 is more than 7 years away, so it violates the other rule.

These hypothetical possibilities violate the CBA. So long as they are possibilities, regardless of how remote, the Raps can't trade future first rounders.

Now, having said all that, the rule states that you can't go two years without a first round pick, but it doesn't say that it has to be your pick. If the Raps were to get trade for another team's first round pick, or buy one, that could give them some flexibility one year
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:30 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Hmmmmm, I'm really curious now in wondering who they were asking for.
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Hmmmmm, I'm really curious now in wondering who they were asking for.
Likely Derozan.
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I woulda got DD on the plane and sent him out myself if that's what they were asking for.
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