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jeffb 06-02-2011 07:00 PM

Colangelo: Exit interviews with players had an impact on decision
 
A couple minutes into his interview tonight with Bob McCowan BC states that the input from players after the season had some impact on his decision to Fire Triano. He also states that Jay is a nice guy, is more of a player coach and the team needs more accountability with reguard to the players. Wants someone with more presence and different style.

He also says he's getting a lot of interest in the position.

Bryan Colangelo - Sportsnet Radio - FAN 590 Toronto - Audio on Demand

js12 06-02-2011 07:41 PM

I wonder who told Colangelo that Triano is not the candidate to carry the team.

That player must have been a "keeper" since most players on the roster is not part of the future.

Dutches 06-02-2011 09:05 PM

His blurb near the end about Jay possibly being an assistant as part of a new coaching staff is really interesting. If the new HC is up for it, it could be good for the team.

jeffb 06-02-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutches (Post 544820)
His blurb near the end about Jay possibly being an assistant as part of a new coaching staff is really interesting. If the new HC is up for it, it could be good for the team.


I hope the new HC has more brains then that. We seriously need to move on, like a band-aid.........RIGHT OFF!!

GrannyFro 06-02-2011 09:20 PM

i remember reggie in an interveiw not too long ago saying he wanted jay back, but if i remeber correctly he was playing the old card and making jay seem like a soft coach whether intending too or not

StartingBench 06-03-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by js12 (Post 544762)
I wonder who told Colangelo that Triano is not the candidate to carry the team.

That player must have been a "keeper" since most players on the roster is not part of the future.

I don't think any player said that Triano wasn't a keeper. I think it was the players exposed his soft side.

ie.
Player X: He's a great coach, instead of screaming at me when I missed my defensive assignment he took me out for ice cream after the game and asked me politely if I can make a better effort.

Superjudge 06-03-2011 09:45 AM

I think Colangelo is saving face on his own end guys. I know for certain that Triano wasn't a push over, he was a screamer and he was intense. His hands were tied with certain 7 foot and certain pg's that the GM had invested in and he wasn't allowed to just bench them.

BC is covering his missed gambles. It happens, it's how it works. I like him still.

jeffb 06-03-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 545199)
I think Colangelo is saving face on his own end guys. I know for certain that Triano wasn't a push over, he was a screamer and he was intense. His hands were tied with certain 7 foot and certain pg's that the GM had invested in and he wasn't allowed to just bench them.

BC is covering his missed gambles. It happens, it's how it works. I like him still.

To some degree probably, it's what GM's do. But I have to think it's also pretty true, plus he said he's a players coach but stated he was stern when he had to be. But that he's not a screamer or the type that would want and rave. You somehow find that hard to believe? He said he had trouble holding players accountable, which was easy to see even for the blind.

StartingBench 06-03-2011 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 545199)
I think Colangelo is saving face on his own end guys. I know for certain that Triano wasn't a push over, he was a screamer and he was intense. His hands were tied with certain 7 foot and certain pg's that the GM had invested in and he wasn't allowed to just bench them.

BC is covering his missed gambles. It happens, it's how it works. I like him still.


Colangelo has his own issues, but Triano was definately one of them. He definately did seem like a push over in all his interviews. You can see it in his interviews that he never felt like he's in control. Even the classic quote "What the fuck you gonna do" screams push over. He's the coach, the leader, figure something out.

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 545203)
.... But that he's not a screamer or the type that would want and rave. ....

I think sometimes coaches need to scream and rave at these kids. You've got a bunch of <25 yr old millionaires in white vegas. How else are you gonna get these kid's attention?

RAPMAN 06-03-2011 10:57 AM

From BC answers you know where Triano failed. BC was happy with player development. Know he's looking for a candidate with head coach experience and has had success with implenting a successful defense at the NBA level. All shortcommings with Triano. Again, he brings out the "frustrations of Bargnani" of not playing defense and rebounding. Something Triano was never able to get out of Andrea, and the defensive commitment he never got out of the team.

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! 06-03-2011 11:00 AM

I wonder if the players were complaining that Bargnani got lots of minutes despite not playing defense.

moremilk 06-03-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sick, Wicked and Nasty! (Post 545221)
I wonder if the players were complaining that Bargnani got lots of minutes despite not playing defense.

Except pretty much all starters were in the same position, except maybe Amir and James ...

b55bgc 06-03-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 544822)
I hope the new HC has more brains then that. We seriously need to move on, like a band-aid.........RIGHT OFF!!

I agree. We all know that Triano is a nice guy, and the players like him. But they aint working hard enough under him. Why keep him on. A new era needs to happen with regards to coaching.

Superjudge 06-03-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RAPMAN (Post 545219)
From BC answers you know where Triano failed. BC was happy with player development. Know he's looking for a candidate with head coach experience and has had success with implenting a successful defense at the NBA level. All shortcommings with Triano. Again, he brings out the "frustrations of Bargnani" of not playing defense and rebounding. Something Triano was never able to get out of Andrea, and the defensive commitment he never got out of the team.

I don't disagree with you guys, clearly Triano was not perfect, he can be improved upon. I just liked him, he's a guy I feel I would play hard for. In the NBA it's hard, ego's are huge, it literally takes a top 3 coach to even make a dent of difference. Thats where I don't like firing guys like Triano. It serves little purpose but to say "ya, we know we were bad, but look!!!!!! Were doing stuff to be better!!!!!"

INSIDER 06-03-2011 11:42 AM

all signs point to Triano being a really nice guy, probably awesome friend, and just all-around awesome dude to hang out with a drink a brew with.
but this is a coaching position... the best coaches arent your friend... they are your coach - someone to fear, someone who teaches, someone who can bring the pain if you mess up.
Triano doesnt look like he has a mean bone in his body... he doesnt seem like he can really and truly get mad at a player and hold his players accountable.
while he'll probably be an amazing head office guy, he isnt NBA coach material. he's too much of a nice guy.

forme123 06-03-2011 01:51 PM

if this is the case, then its very ironic. i mean jay let a lot of these guys play through mistakes (bargnani) and get more playing time then they essentially would on any other team in the league imo. guys like james johnson, sonny weems, julian wright would have been lucky to play 1/8 of the games this season on a team with even a grain of talent (overexaggeration i know)...if anything i thought the players response to him was going to be the one thing that kept him as hc of this team..

goes to show how unpredictable the nba can be

jeffb 06-03-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by forme123 (Post 545281)
if this is the case, then its very ironic. i mean jay let a lot of these guys play through mistakes (bargnani) and get more playing time then they essentially would on any other team in the league imo. guys like james johnson, sonny weems, julian wright would have been lucky to play 1/8 of the games this season on a team with even a grain of talent (overexaggeration i know)...if anything i thought the players response to him was going to be the one thing that kept him as hc of this team..

goes to show how unpredictable the nba can be

Wright played? If anything he'd be one of the players throwing him under the bus, same with Weems. The 09-10 season had players questioning the HC and maybe last season it was just kept behind closed doors.

forme123 06-03-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 545287)
Wright played? If anything he'd be one of the players throwing him under the bus, same with Weems. The 09-10 season had players questioning the HC and maybe last season it was just kept behind closed doors.

he played a bit yes. funny thing is even tho he played extremely little, would he have gotten more playing time on any other team? not to mention he started a couple games i believe

arsonal 06-03-2011 03:54 PM

Raptors to interview mavs Dwane Casey!?!?!?

raptor123 06-03-2011 04:30 PM

Well I heard that it was Caldy that did Triano in. Caldy has all the respect for Jay as a person however he did not totally buy in on how he managed the game. Caldy was for all about the team. He will be back as our starter look for the team be tougher on d. Caldy is the Captain of our team. His experience being on a winner playing for Spain and now going through all this with the raptors just puts a sour taste in his mouth. I would like to see Caldy coach in the NBA some day. He is by far our most intelligent baskball player.


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