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Old 06-03-2011, 05:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 06-03-2011, 06:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Well I heard that it was Caldy that did Triano in. Caldy has all the respect for Jay as a person however he did not totally buy in on how he managed the game. Caldy was for all about the team. He will be back as our starter look for the team be tougher on d. Caldy is the Captain of our team. His experience being on a winner playing for Spain and now going through all this with the Raptors just puts a sour taste in his mouth. I would like to see Caldy coach in the NBA some day. He is by far our most intelligent baskball player.
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Old 06-04-2011, 02:44 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Colangelo has his own issues, but Triano was definately one of them. He definately did seem like a push over in all his interviews. You can see it in his interviews that he never felt like he's in control. Even the classic quote "What the fuck you gonna do" screams push over. He's the coach, the leader, figure something out.



I think sometimes coaches need to scream and rave at these kids. You've got a bunch of <25 yr old millionaires in white vegas. How else are you gonna get these kid's attention?
That quote of Jay was in reference to who the fuck he was supposed to play -directly inferring how bad Reggie Evans & Joey Dorsey were. That's Jay being frustrated at his motherfuckin assclown of a GM. And who wouldn't be frustrated after spending 7yrs developing perrenial all-star Chris Bosh, only to have to play Reggie & Joey, two bigs who can't score in an empty gym? This while Micheal Beasley was available!

Regarding the players saying Jay wasn't right, I call Bryan's bluff.
Think about it: Coach Triano is the best in the league at developing young players & reclaimation projects. Each one of James Johnson, Amir Johnson, Demar, Sonny, Ed, Alexis, Jerryd, Linas & Julian showed that they became better than they were last year. This is directly due to Coach Triano's work w/them in practice, doing the same things he's been doing in player development since he became employed w/the team.

What's more, each one of those guys is 25yrs old or younger. No right thinking GM should even act as if them youngins have the right to decide the fate of the head coach who has worked his ass off, in fucked up circumstances, for their betterment.

As far as Jose & Andrea are concerned, I call a bluff as well on the person who told our poster here, saying Jose sold Jay out. Jose developed his playmaking skills under Coach Triano unto his playmaking being directly akin to that of Steve Nash's; and that MVP credits Coach Triano for how he's developed his main strengths. W/o Coach Triano, Jose isn't the player he has become and he knows it.

I showed in another thread about a month ago that Andrea can rebound, defend, and clog the lane w/the best of'em, right here:
Colangelo's Year End News Conference

The reason why he didn't do it consistently this past season is b/c we were deliberately tanking, losing games based on deliberately not giving the effort: This was not a call done by the players as their value in the league goes down thereof; it wasn't a call by MLSE b/c they know they make the most coin in winning seasons; and it wasn't a call by Coach Triano as it fucks up his & his staff's coaching record. It was a call by none other than Bryan, yet he's so bold so to celebrate his birthday by firing Coach Triano, whom he told to deliberately drop games.

So yeah, this is a(nother) lie by Bryan to cover for his own ass, as motherfuckin usual.

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Old 06-04-2011, 08:41 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Two Stats That Matter:
2 -- The Raptors are the first team to rank last in the league defensively in two consecutive seasons since the Clippers did it in 1998-99 and 1999-00.

112.5 -- Raptors' opponents scored 112.5 points per 100 possessions when Andrea Bargnani was on the floor. That was the worst on-court defensive rating among 299 players who logged at least 750 minutes.

Raptors will try change stat # 1 by getting a NEW VOICE. A NEW DESTINATION is required for stat # 2.
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:32 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Regarding the players saying Jay wasn't right, I call Bryan's bluff.
Think about it: Coach Triano is the best in the league at developing young players & reclaimation projects. Each one of James Johnson, Amir Johnson, Demar, Sonny, Ed, Alexis, Jerryd, Linas & Julian showed that they became better than they were last year. This is directly due to Coach Triano's work w/them in practice, doing the same things he's been doing in player development since he became employed w/the team.
Linas- Played better in Europe & Denver and was hurt ( wasn't "better")
Sonny- Regresses this season
Julian- Played as he always has (very little)
Alexis- Barely played and as usual was frustrating to watch
Ed- Does what he's always done, block shots and rebound
Demar- Is still a horrible defender
James Johnson- Played well, but it was from the moment he came here which means he came here motivated to get minutes. (I'll give Jay some credit for giving him the minutes.
Amir- Has flurished the last two season and i'll give Jay some credit there.



But to say he's the best in the league at developing young players is a huge stretch.
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:46 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I do believe that Triano is decent coach and is only partially to blame for the lack of defense.
I provided this view months ago, and the prime culprit is BC. He is a offense first type of manager and that's fine, but don't go off and blame the coach for lack of defense. Triano should of benched Bargs and others thru the season, but I truly believe Triano whould of just be fired sooner.
BC is clearly covering his ass ... he is the problem with the lack of defense. This can change, but he will need to change first. Cultural transformation starts from the top. If he doesn't, it will just be another coach getting fired for a different reason. Eventully it will be him if we dont' put a winning team on the coach in 2 years.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:13 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I do believe that Triano is decent coach and is only partially to blame for the lack of defense.
I provided this view months ago, and the prime culprit is BC. He is a offense first type of manager and that's fine, but don't go off and blame the coach for lack of defense. Triano should of benched Bargs and others thru the season, but I truly believe Triano whould of just be fired sooner.
BC is clearly covering his ass ... he is the problem with the lack of defense. This can change, but he will need to change first. Cultural transformation starts from the top. If he doesn't, it will just be another coach getting fired for a different reason. Eventully it will be him if we dont' put a winning team on the coach in 2 years.
After 3 seasons Jay had to go. No team had been the worst defensive team in the NBA 2 straight seasons since the 90's I believe. Is he fully to blame, absolutely not. But after 3 seasons of horrid defense it was a good move to try and bring in a defensive minded coach who'll hold players accountable instead of having our young players continuing to look lost on D and having bad habits. When you have a young team you better have a HC with experience that can teach them better habbits in this stage of their development. Not only that, in 16yrs we've only ever had one experienced HC, and that seriously has to change.
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So...Sam was too mean and Jay was too nice?

Give me a fucking break...I'm tired of BC...Smitch was the best coach since the good Lenny years...Jay wasn't a pushover, no coach is...but he couldn't teach these guys...either that, or we have a bunch of dumb basketball players.
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So...Sam was too mean and Jay was too nice?

Give me a fucking break...I'm tired of BC...Smitch was the best coach since the good Lenny years...Jay wasn't a pushover, no coach is...but he couldn't teach these guys...either that, or we have a bunch of dumb basketball players.
When was Sam too mean?
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So...Sam was too mean and Jay was too nice?

Give me a fucking break...I'm tired of BC...Smitch was the best coach since the good Lenny years...Jay wasn't a pushover, no coach is...but he couldn't teach these guys...either that, or we have a bunch of dumb basketball players.
the lenny years?

"yeah just stand around, we'll run an iso for vince and maybe he'll pass...let's see what happens"

where's butch carter. bring back butch.
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the lenny years?

"yeah just stand around, we'll run an iso for vince and maybe he'll pass...let's see what happens"

where's butch carter. bring back butch.
Our best years by far were under Lenny Wilkens.
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Our best years by far were under Lenny Wilkens.
i don't dispute that.

but i hold that butch Carter is the best coach this team has had, and would have gotten more out of lenny's teams had the vince fiasco not gone down.
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When was Sam too mean?
I remember reading BC saying how players were scared to make mistakes...and blah blah blah..
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I don't disagree with you guys, clearly Triano was not perfect, he can be improved upon. I just liked him, he's a guy I feel I would play hard for. In the NBA it's hard, ego's are huge, it literally takes a top 3 coach to even make a dent of difference. Thats where I don't like firing guys like Triano. It serves little purpose but to say "ya, we know we were bad, but look!!!!!! Were doing stuff to be better!!!!!"
As opposed to not doing anything and keeping status quo?
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That quote of Jay was in reference to who the fuck he was supposed to play -directly inferring how bad Reggie Evans & Joey Dorsey were. That's Jay being frustrated at his motherfuckin assclown of a GM. And who wouldn't be frustrated after spending 7yrs developing perrenial all-star Chris Bosh, only to have to play Reggie & Joey, two bigs who can't score in an empty gym? This while Micheal Beasley was available!

Regarding the players saying Jay wasn't right, I call Bryan's bluff.
Think about it: Coach Triano is the best in the league at developing young players & reclaimation projects. Each one of James Johnson, Amir Johnson, Demar, Sonny, Ed, Alexis, Jerryd, Linas & Julian showed that they became better than they were last year. This is directly due to Coach Triano's work w/them in practice, doing the same things he's been doing in player development since he became employed w/the team.

What's more, each one of those guys is 25yrs old or younger. No right thinking GM should even act as if them youngins have the right to decide the fate of the head coach who has worked his ass off, in fucked up circumstances, for their betterment.

As far as Jose & Andrea are concerned, I call a bluff as well on the person who told our poster here, saying Jose sold Jay out. Jose developed his playmaking skills under Coach Triano unto his playmaking being directly akin to that of Steve Nash's; and that MVP credits Coach Triano for how he's developed his main strengths. W/o Coach Triano, Jose isn't the player he has become and he knows it.

I showed in another thread about a month ago that Andrea can rebound, defend, and clog the lane w/the best of'em, right here:
Colangelo's Year End News Conference

The reason why he didn't do it consistently this past season is b/c we were deliberately tanking, losing games based on deliberately not giving the effort: This was not a call done by the players as their value in the league goes down thereof; it wasn't a call by MLSE b/c they know they make the most coin in winning seasons; and it wasn't a call by Coach Triano as it fucks up his & his staff's coaching record. It was a call by none other than Bryan, yet he's so bold so to celebrate his birthday by firing Coach Triano, whom he told to deliberately drop games.

So yeah, this is a(nother) lie by Bryan to cover for his own ass, as motherfuckin usual.
Where is your proof that BC told them to deliberately drop games? I don't believe it for a second. You're fooling yourself if you think that BC wanted to actually lose on purpose. No way. The lost games because of how many injuries they had and the were not very talented to begin with. Simple as that. Nobody was told to deliberately drop games.
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Where's your proof that he didn't? Given all the constant doubletalk, constant excusing himself (and when he is declaring accountability, its absolutely empty; juss platitudes asking for a chance to do better), constant blaming of others while he still has his job, and constant bad & irrational moves, I'm never gonna trust a word that comes from Bryan's mouth.

As for this Raptors team:

SF: JJohnson, Weems, Kleiza
PF: AJohnson, EDavis, Dorsey-IR
C : Bargnani, Ajinca, Alabi-IR
PG: JCalderon, JBayless, JWright
SG: DeRozan, Barbosa, REvans-IR

-that rotation is perfect for Coach Triano's Flex as all players are multidimensional, thus we could've improved upon our already top-10 efficient offense, but Reggie hindered that by being in the rotation.
-with Demar's ability to create off the bounce, Jose's domination of the pick'n'roll, Andrea being a constant threat from everywhere no matter what type of game he was having, and everyone on those 1st 2 units ability to shoot & finish, we had all it took to score well in crunchtime - yet all too often we lost games based on effort.
-Jose was playing the best defense he's ever played, I displayed in my prev. post here that Andrea has had awsome defensive games vs. the best players/teams, and w/everyone's athleticism, energy and background (Demar @ USC, James @ WF, Amir w/Chauncey's Pistons, etc.), we had all it took to be much better defensively than we were. We also had enough depth for if players got in foul trouble and maintain our sets (obviously thwarted w/the nothingness that Reggie & Dorsey gave)....yet we never D'd up.
-Given Jose's role w/the Spanish National Team (that's always in contention for gold), and the character of the guys on the 1st two units, the tone was set for unselfish & playing for eachother -which they did, but given their skillsets, we could've meshed even better, but no effort took dominance instead. The only consistent thing about this 10-11 team was good (not great) offense (despite Reggie getting rotation burn), and inconsistency in every other area.

I've said before that I believe Bryan's on the take - collusion. I believe he had done his best to sell the idea of tanking (rationale being this team supposedly needs a high lotto pick) to MLSE, and they've 'played' along.

And when things get heated, someone else takes the fall. This time it's Coach Triano.
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