Colangelo: not so genius
Old 02-18-2009, 03:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Would you trade TJ Ford+Rasho for Marion+Banks if you were the GM of Pacers?

We lost one year because of the O'Neal trade and we might lose our best player Bosh because of the situation. Rumours are circleing around about him.

Does anyone still believe Colangelo is a genius?

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Old 02-18-2009, 09:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Would you trade TJ Ford+Rasho for Marion+Banks if you were the GM of Pacers?
I would have made the trade in a heartbeat to get Marion for TJ and Rasho. You got to get TJ out of your head man. He put him self ahead of the team last year. The way TJ acted lasted year makes him the worst Raptor of all time. He was an embarrassment to the Raptor organization. However Rasho was a team guy, we do miss him.
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't personally care for Tj's game. I like Jose's game.

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when are people going to get over TJ?

He's not better than Caldy
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When are people going to begin reading threads and seeing that like ten other of these same ones are created.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Why did people assume that I liked Ford? I really don't like his game but he has value. So does still Nesterovic. Nobody wants Marion anymore and GMs run away when they hear Banks' name. I believe there is also a protected first round pick in the trade given by Toronto. Basically we gave away Ford and Nesterovic, now we got Banks who is as usable as a toilet paper and some cash that we can use this summer. If we can't convince anyone to sign then we have only Banks left. Nice job.

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When are people going to begin reading threads and seeing that like ten other of these same ones are created.
Now that you told us that, it shall all stop sir. Sorry to bother your highness with our stupid threads.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:43 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Is there a list of geniuses available? I'd like reference.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:47 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Why did people assume that I liked Ford? I really don't like his game but he has value. So does still Nesterovic. Nobody wants Marion anymore and GMs run away when they hear Banks' name. I believe there is also a protected first round pick in the trade given by Toronto. Basically we gave away Ford and Nesterovic, now we got Banks who is as usable as a toilet paper and some cash that we can use this summer. If we can't convince anyone to sign then we have only Banks left. Nice job.



Now that you told us that, it shall all stop sir. Sorry to bother your highness with our stupid threads.

Have they played a single game with this team yet? No? Okay, then you can stop with your rubbish.

So, what was Toronto's main problem last season? Secondary scoring, rebounding, and toughness. With the pieces we had (which weren't very good), we took a chance on someone that we thought addressed all those needs. It didn't work out as well as we hoped and Colangelo was able to make alterations.

Tell me, oh genius one, do tell me, who would you have received for a broken down TJ Ford and Rasho Nesterovic in a deal?
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:00 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I would have made the trade in a heartbeat to get Marion for TJ and Rasho. You got to get TJ out of your head man. He put him self ahead of the team last year. The way TJ acted lasted year makes him the worst Raptor of all time. He was an embarrassment to the Raptor organization. However Rasho was a team guy, we do miss him.
LOL ... TJ was a liability because of his injury history but he wasn't an embarrassment to the Raptors organization. He just wanted to play as starter, the same thing Jose wanted when he signed the contract only if he is a starter. I don't blame anyone for wanting to be a starter, I would rather blame someone who doesn't play hard like Vince after he decided that he wants to be traded. Stop talking bullshit, TJ is not here anymore to jeopardize Jose's starter job ...
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Why did people assume that I liked Ford? I really don't like his game but he has value. So does still Nesterovic. Nobody wants Marion anymore and GMs run away when they hear Banks' name. I believe there is also a protected first round pick in the trade given by Toronto. Basically we gave away Ford and Nesterovic, now we got Banks who is as usable as a toilet paper and some cash that we can use this summer. If we can't convince anyone to sign then we have only Banks left. Nice job.



Now that you told us that, it shall all stop sir. Sorry to bother your highness with our stupid threads.
Dude, I'm not asking something difficult here. I'm asking you to read. The same discussion is all over this place and frankly, I'm tired of always having to merge threads because people don't realize that oh, let's start a thread about trades, and ignore the big ass thread that has TRADE PROPOSAL on it. There are ton's of BC is overrated, sucks etc. threads as well. Reading a new one each day becomes tiring.
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:07 AM   #11 (permalink)
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LOL ... TJ was a liability because of his injury history but he wasn't an embarrassment to the Raptors organization. He just wanted to play as starter, the same thing Jose wanted when he signed the contract only if he is a starter. I don't blame anyone for wanting to be a starter, I would rather blame someone who doesn't play hard like Vince after he decided that he wants to be traded. Stop talking bullshit, TJ is not here anymore to jeopardize Jose's starter job ...
Don't waste your breath Insight... never was there a more biased poster on TJ than raptor123. It's obvious he's pandering and exagerrating at the same time whenever he refers to TJ.

As for the question at hand, I'd have done the TJ/Rasho for Marion/Banks deal as well...it addresses to a greater extent the deficiencies of the team and while it's not perfect I think it's a step in the right direction. Now we're lacking really only a slashing 2 and some bench depth...and possibly a new coach
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:08 AM   #12 (permalink)
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You can't go back into infinity to justify whether or not a trade is good based on how you got there.

Ok so how about this one. Would you trade:

Charlie V., Moon, the #17 pick and another below 15 pick for Marion?

I would.

Moons contract was up at the end of the year anyways and he wasn't worth resigning, someone would overpay.

You can go back as far as you want to prove a point. ALL moves need to be evaluated at a point in time and can't be based on this retroactive jibber-jabber.
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Why did people assume that I liked Ford? I really don't like his game but he has value. .
so what are you saying, that colangelo delibarately didn't want to get more value for Ford? Or that all the other GMs colluded to not offer something more? It's not like Bryan traded TJ in one night. He obviously made it very clear that TJ will leave, and had time to take offers from all the other GMs that were interested.

Maybe you see a lot of value in TJ, but it looks like the other GMs didn't ...

as far as the marion trade, it wasn't done because of his value as a player, but because of his expiring contract. When it was obvious that the team will not perform well with JO, Bryan had to get rid of him, or risk playing .350 basketball for another season. It wasn't a great trade, but again, in this market where everybody looks to dump salaries, there was nothing better.

NO, who were a contender until yesterday, practically gave away Chandler for two expiring contracts. This is the economy of today's NBA and it's nobody's fault.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I just find it odd that he goes from wanting a running team to a half-court team and back to a running team. Maybe Marion has more value to this team with TJ rather than Jose. On paper it looks that way. We'll have to see. Maybe Marion completes Jose somehow.
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Maybe Marion completes Jose somehow.
He got Jose at:"Hello..."
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Don't waste your breath Insight... never was there a more biased poster on TJ than raptor123. It's obvious he's pandering and exagerrating at the same time whenever he refers to TJ.

As for the question at hand, I'd have done the TJ/Rasho for Marion/Banks deal as well...it addresses to a greater extent the deficiencies of the team and while it's not perfect I think it's a step in the right direction. Now we're lacking really only a slashing 2 and some bench depth...and possibly a new coach
Thanks SWAN for your support. We both agree like most for various reasons that the TJ/Rasho for Marion/Banks would have been done. However, when it comes to TJ i was right about him from the start. It goes back to the old message board. He proved me right and I thank TJ for making me look good. lol
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Thanks SWAN for your support. We both agree like most for various reasons that the TJ/Rasho for Marion/Banks would have been done. However, when it comes to TJ i was right about him from the start. It goes back to the old message board. He proved me right and I thank TJ for making me look good. lol
Not gonna work my friend. You dont' see TJ through objective eyes..never have and everyone on this forum will back me on that.
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Not gonna work my friend. You dont' see TJ through objective eyes..never have and everyone on this forum will back me on that.
I can't even tell if he likes TJ. lol
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Would you trade TJ Ford+Rasho for Marion+Banks if you were the GM of Pacers?
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I would do the Marion for TJ and Rasho trade in a heartbeat. Marion is what we need and TJ was making it difficult for us to succeed
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