Colangelo Not Looking to Move JO?
Old 01-13-2009, 03:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hmmmm .... very interesting.

Well if that's true then at this point I don't expect Bryan to be doing anything significant until next season. No way Bargnani's on the block now either considering his recent rise.

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Bill Ingram: Colangelo told me earlier this week they're not looking to move Jermaine . . .
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Than why were there reports of him trying to trade him to half a dpozen teams
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WHAT!!!! BC has lost his mind. Does he no what he could get for a huge expiring contract in 2010?
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good move.. if we make it to the playoffs...jo would b our mvp
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as much as i love the talk about expiring contracts, JO has become pretty much expendable at this point to some people. I am not sure i understand the management side yet, but i do know that he is not worth much as a player except in a bench role that he would probably never accept.


22 million and he can't buy a proper suit and wear it with some fU((KIng class...
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Smokescreen people.


Denying moving him will raise the value of offers for him.
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Hmmm ... conflicting reports I guess. supersub15 from the RealGM was listening to Jack on the FAN590 this afternoon and heard this:

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Adrian Wojnarowski, from Yahoo Sports, was on Jack's show this afternoon on the FAN590, and when asked about trade possibilities for the Raps, he said that he spoke with an Eastern Conference GM, who told him that Bryan Colangelo is offering up everybody on his roster, except Bargnani, Bosh and Calderon. Players being offered include Jermaine O'Neal.
So, what it is?
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ok, could someone please tell me WHO in this league would want JO and what value do you really think he has other than an expiring contract... not sure that is enough at this point to actual create any interest in him.

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Hmmm ... conflicting reports I guess. supersub15 from the RealGM was listening to Jack on the FAN590 this afternoon and heard this:



So, what it is?
Yeeeee boy...i'm guessing Bryan Colangelo's just bsing atm...looking for the perfect deal then boom...BREAKING NEWS: Jermaine O'Neal has been traded to (fill blank here) "
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most definitely a smoke screen.
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there's a difference between actively shopping a player, willing to trade a player, and unwilling to trade a player. There's only one or two untradeable players in the league (lebron and howard) - everybody else is movable for the right price. Bryan is probably willing to trade JO, but only if the right offer comes. Bosh, Jose and Andreea are untradeable, unless he's blown away ...
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ok, could someone please tell me WHO in this league would want JO and what value do you really think he has other than an expiring contract... not sure that is enough at this point to actual create any interest in him.

the expiring contract is plenty to create interest in him. remember that any team wanting to rebuild would trade almost any series of longer term deals to acquire his expiring one. the real question is would the raps accept any of those deals to give up the asset that is his contract? the player(s) would have to be good enough and affordable enough (given the strategic plan) to warrant keeping for the long haul.

coupled with his contract, though, is the ability to perform when not injured. granted he's going to miss a few games here and there, but a team looking for a big to anchor the paint through the playoffs would be happy to have a player of his stature, especially knowing that the contract would expire next year.

this is all why a marion deal makes so much sense. miami would get a post anchor, free up beasely to start at the 3 and have $23 million expiring in 2010. the raps would get a perimiter defender and rebounder for the rest of this season and $17 million in cap space to sign a top flight wing in 2009 or 2010.

remember that deals have been done to acquire players that can't contribute at all just because they are an expiring deal. contracts like this are golden in the salary capped nba if you want to retain flexibility and move on from an assembled team that just didn't work. in the past few years i can think of kvh, ratliff, pj brown and kwame brown as examples of guys that were aquired precisely because they were expiring. there are lots more, i'm just too lazy to go back a few years and remember them.

make sense?
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the expiring contract is plenty to create interest in him. remember that any team wanting to rebuild would trade almost any series of longer term deals to acquire his expiring one. the real question is would the raps accept any of those deals to give up the asset that is his contract? the player(s) would have to be good enough and affordable enough (given the strategic plan) to warrant keeping for the long haul.

coupled with his contract, though, is the ability to perform when not injured. granted he's going to miss a few games here and there, but a team looking for a big to anchor the paint through the playoffs would be happy to have a player of his stature, especially knowing that the contract would expire next year.

this is all why a marion deal makes so much sense. miami would get a post anchor, free up beasely to start at the 3 and have $23 million expiring in 2010. the raps would get a perimiter defender and rebounder for the rest of this season and $17 million in cap space to sign a top flight wing in 2009 or 2010.

remember that deals have been done to acquire players that can't contribute at all just because they are an expiring deal. contracts like this are golden in the salary capped nba if you want to retain flexibility and move on from an assembled team that just didn't work. in the past few years i can think of kvh, ratliff, pj brown and kwame brown as examples of guys that were aquired precisely because they were expiring. there are lots more, i'm just too lazy to go back a few years and remember them.

make sense?
makes sense indeed...bring Shawn Marion to TO
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the expiring contract is plenty to create interest in him. remember that any team wanting to rebuild would trade almost any series of longer term deals to acquire his expiring one. the real question is would the raps accept any of those deals to give up the asset that is his contract? the player(s) would have to be good enough and affordable enough (given the strategic plan) to warrant keeping for the long haul.

coupled with his contract, though, is the ability to perform when not injured. granted he's going to miss a few games here and there, but a team looking for a big to anchor the paint through the playoffs would be happy to have a player of his stature, especially knowing that the contract would expire next year.

this is all why a marion deal makes so much sense. miami would get a post anchor, free up beasely to start at the 3 and have $23 million expiring in 2010. the raps would get a perimiter defender and rebounder for the rest of this season and $17 million in cap space to sign a top flight wing in 2009 or 2010.

remember that deals have been done to acquire players that can't contribute at all just because they are an expiring deal. contracts like this are golden in the salary capped nba if you want to retain flexibility and move on from an assembled team that just didn't work. in the past few years i can think of kvh, ratliff, pj brown and kwame brown as examples of guys that were aquired precisely because they were expiring. there are lots more, i'm just too lazy to go back a few years and remember them.

make sense?
you are so patient with me... i guess i seem to get stuck looking only at the value of what a player can offer on the floor.. JO to me has back up center written all over him but at 22 mill, no one wants to spend that kind of money for that little value... except collangelo... i try to see it, but to me, it makes the game less about winning and more about the money... that saddens me...
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you are so patient with me... i guess i seem to get stuck looking only at the value of what a player can offer on the floor.. JO to me has back up center written all over him but at 22 mill, no one wants to spend that kind of money for that little value... except collangelo... i try to see it, but to me, it makes the game less about winning and more about the money... that saddens me...
I understand your point, but to me it makes me HAPPY! Why? Because when it involves cap and money, it makes the NBA much more competative to get players from a teams standpoint, than say baseball. I am glad we have a cap and there is money management or we would see poor teams stay shitty and rich teams like NY always winning championships because they could spend 150 mill on players if they really wanted to. Look at it that way and you will feel a bit better.
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has the cap helped the t'wolves be better over the past 10 years with or without garnett? has it helped the clippers be competitive from year to year? has it helped us as we flirt the cap with 12 roster spots and have become hog-tied to an ailing Center's knee that is about as strong as the rice paper i ripped at my wedding... sigh...
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I see the point you are trying to make takman. Especially since teams other than NYK that are over the luxury are mainly really good teams. Even though they don't have cap space. But that doesn't mean some cap space isn't good
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Lets look at it the opposite way then. No cap, no CBA.

Lebron is playing in NY in 2010 and making 35 million a year, CB4 is playing in NY in 2010 making 25-30 million a year, DWade is playing in NY in 2010 and making 25-30 million a year. NY is winning championships year after year. Teams like ScaTown and Memphis have only shitty players simply because they cant afford players.

You missed what I was saying i think. I didnt mean competative on the court. I meant competative at getting players on to your team. How and why does that happen? Because of the Cap and the CBA. It forces more money management.

No cap and CBA, you could say Bye BYe to Bosh right now. We would never have re-signed VC, etc. The list could go on and on and on for so many teams if that Delicate Money Management side of it wasnt there.

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you are so patient with me... i guess i seem to get stuck looking only at the value of what a player can offer on the floor.. JO to me has back up center written all over him but at 22 mill, no one wants to spend that kind of money for that little value... except collangelo... i try to see it, but to me, it makes the game less about winning and more about the money... that saddens me...
just remember that $22 million over several years is a hardship, but $22 million expiring is relief. almost every team is capped out and looking for ways to reduce that burden, and expiring deals are the most immediate and valuable way to do that.

what jo can contribute now has very little to what his contract is worth. they're almost two completely distinct entities. this is what i love so much about the financial side of the game. it's incredibly complex, and the job of a gm is to weigh all of these factors and still give you want you want on the floor. it's not always possible in one move, so you play a game of financial chess, acquiring assets and making moves that give you the flexibility you need to make the big move when it comes along. a gm with great vision looks several years ahead, makes a long-term plan, and adjusts that plan when the realities change.

with jo, the hope was that he could contribute more, but that was really the gravy. the value is the flexibility that we wouldn't have had with tj's salary. one pg had to go, and my guess is that colangelo didn't like the otehr deals he saw, so he made one that may have paid off on the floor (and hasn't so far) but that retained the ability to make the big move when it presented itself.

imo, this is fun stuff.
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we only have the ability to hope and pray Bosh accepts and stays... from what i can see, hope is fading fast as this team struggles to be average!
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