Is Colangelo making a mistake?
Old 01-18-2009, 09:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Alright, lets set this straight. I love this trade as much as the next guy. I've always been a Marion fan through out my career as a basketball fan. But Some how I have a feeling that BC is making a mistake.

JO has been a contributor when healthy and has helped develop Andrea's defence and post game not to mention takes pressure off of Bosh. So if we trade him now, things might be turned back into last season. Andrea might lose his confedence and Bosh would be forced to take contested shots everytime down the court.

Yes, we would get a defencive wing, but would that actually help the Raptors condition?
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Old 01-18-2009, 09:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The trade isnt about getting a defensive wing, its about getting cap flexibility this offseason.

And its really on Andrea now to become the best player he can be, if he goes into another one of those funks its on him and no one else. Hes gotta man up and play consistant night in and night out.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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For me, this is 100% about Marion the contract, not Marion the player. I'd like to make the playoffs and have a fun series with Boston, but I'm totally ok with a lottery pick too.

I can't stress enough how excited I am about the prospect of getting Marvin Williams, Odom, or Artest, if BC pulls the right strings. Any of those 3 would set up our frontcourt for the next 5 years (assuming we keep Bosh)... then there's two things with a good chance of happening a) Ukic is legit and we can move him or Jose for a scoring/dribbledrive SG, b) Our draft pick becomes that guy. Then guess what... all 5 of our positions are set. And we have like 15 mil coming off in 2011 to do more if things still aren't up to par.

We're way closer to being at least a 50 win+ team, if not contenders (which does take good fortune), than it would appear from the 'treadmill! no!' reaction around here. Naturally everything hinges on Bargs being a 20ppg guy (i don't think he's there yet but with a year of working on post-ups, etc., he easily can.), but if that goes to plan, we're absolutely on our way

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Why would we trade cap space for a deep FA class for cap space for an average FA class?
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Why would we trade cap space for a deep FA class for cap space for an average FA class?
Because it's better to have a solid team to sell to Bosh, then to have a crappy team and possibly lose out completely next year. Also, it gives us flexibility in 2011.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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how does it give us flexiblity in 2011?
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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And there's just less competition. Which is good for a Canada team. There's no shortage of good wing options this year... Odom, Artest, Turkoglu, Gordon, Williams, or even Ariza and Childress...
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And there's just less competition. Which is good for a Canada team. There's no shortage of good wing options this year... Odom, Artest, Turkoglu, Gordon, Williams, or even Ariza and Childress...
True that, true that, but all those players are sf. Wouldn't we need a sg if the deal went down, asuming that matrix would resign?

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Old 01-18-2009, 10:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
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how does it give us flexiblity in 2011?
Banks is 4.5 off, which with Kapono's 6.5 and Hump's 3.5 gives us 14.5+ mil. We'd still have room with Kapono and Hump mind you, but that extra 4.5 mil is a good boost...
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Again, I dont think its about free agency, its about having the cap space to make a trade for a franchise guy without having to match salary which will be the case with Marion off the books and us under the cap I beleive. I dont think we're going to sign any main guy, its more about the trading options IMO.

If we were to throw 8 or 9 mil at one of those guys itd be Marvin. And I really hope it isnt Turkoglu.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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For me, this is 100% about Marion the contract, not Marion the player. I'd like to make the playoffs and have a fun series with Boston, but I'm totally ok with a lottery pick too.
I have to agree and disagree with you on that one. Aside from a really solid backup big man, we're pretty set at the 4 and 5 spots with Chris and Andrea running the show - this is why we can afford to give up JO. Right now, our most glaring need is at the wing spot which is helping to contribute to BC's decision to bring Marion over here. Don't kid yourself, Marion is a HUGE upgrade at the three and is going to help make this team significantly better.

That said, he IS a very convenient piece because he does come off the books this coming summer. That also most definitely a contributing factor to the decision.

So again, I wouldn't say 100%. I'd say it's closer to 60% contract, 40% player. Ballpark.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If Marion comes on board and the chemistry works then maybe B.C. hangs onto him. If it doesn't then he comes off the books at the end of the season. Either way not a bad deal. If we'd have gotten Marion for TJ/Rasho and Hibbert in the first place how many of us would've been happy with that. I for one probably would have been ok with that deal.
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Banks is 4.5 off, which with Kapono's 6.5 and Hump's 3.5 gives us 14.5+ mil. We'd still have room with Kapono and Hump mind you, but that extra 4.5 mil is a good boost...
We'll probably be significantly over the cap in the summer of '11( assuming Bosh, Bargs and possibly a wing are signed) for those contracts to give us any real cap space. If we're a contender at that point, they'll be good trading chips at the trade deadline. But that's looking way too far ahead.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Well if Bosh is worth 20, Bargs 10, Jose 9, the wing 10-12, that puts us up to 52 or so... Cap could be 63-65ish by that time... we'd need to fit some roster spots but we'd have some room, and yea, trading chips
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Alright, lets set this straight. I love this trade as much as the next guy. I've always been a Marion fan through out my career as a basketball fan. But Some how I have a feeling that BC is making a mistake.

JO has been a contributor when healthy and has helped develop Andrea's defence and post game not to mention takes pressure off of Bosh. So if we trade him now, things might be turned back into last season. Andrea might lose his confedence and Bosh would be forced to take contested shots everytime down the court.

Yes, we would get a defencive wing, but would that actually help the Raptors condition?
So you are saying we should keep a deluxe bench player with a tag price of $21 millions just to teach Andrea defense? If Andrea keeps playing like he played in the last 10-11 games, he would take some pressure off Bosh. Marion though can fill a gap that seems to be Achilles heel for Raptors, a reliable 3 who is not a pylon out there (Moon).
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:55 PM   #16 (permalink)
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i feel that this is an excellent move bargani wasnt better because of j.o it was because he did alot of training to get bigger in the offseason
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Marion is a better version of Moon but he cannot create a shot on his own... he needs someone to feed him the ball while team is in transition... with Jose at the point he will, like Moon, take a lot of long jumpers... Raps desperately need someone who can take the ball in the crunch and make something out of it... Marion is not that guy... still, he is better then JO... at least for this team.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:07 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Marion is a better version of Moon but he cannot create a shot on his own... he needs someone to feed him the ball while team is in transition... with Jose at the point he will, like Moon, take a lot of long jumpers... Raps desperately need someone who can take the ball in the crunch and make something out of it... Marion is not that guy... still, he is better then JO... at least for this team.

He's better than JO for this team for a couple reasons:

He's nowhere as injury prone.
And we desperately need an upgrade at the starting 3 spot!
He gives us possible cap flexibility sooner rather than later.
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Alright, so how is the FA class in 2011?
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Old 01-20-2009, 09:22 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Looks ok.

http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/2011/
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