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Old 02-04-2008, 05:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ruben Patterson, Corey Maggette, Ricky Davis, Quentin Richardson, even Ron Artest...
convicted felon, 45 games a year, are you kidding me, 41 games a year, not a chance in hell ...

What we need is not a patch, but a long time solution. We need to get the best SF free agent in 2009 - that's what we need. Pray hard that the cap-space increases for the next two years, and we might get our wish ...
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I'd take Ron Ron on this team milk. In a freaking heart beat.
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this happend in the spanish league dunking contest like 6 years ago lol. He didnt win, but it was funny.

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I'm just now thinking of other guys who might come cheaply, maybe not. God knows.

But I'd look at:

Matt Barnes, or Pietrus from Golden State, Hakim Warrick from Memphis, Bobby Simmons, Desmond Mason or even Micheal Redd from the Bucks, Szcezerbiak, Damien Wilkins, and Mickael Gelabale from the Sonics (I think Gelabale will be a very solid rotation player in the NBA).

I'd probably be happy if we acquired ANY of these players.
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Old 02-04-2008, 09:41 PM   #25 (permalink)
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if artest had half a brain, he would be a 15 mil/yr player, but with rep, only desperate team will consider him (read denver, nyk etc). I think redd would be a bad idea too - we don't need another shooter who doesn't play defense, especially at his price tag. Igoudala would be perfect, but he's free agency is a year too early. Unless a golden opportunity arrives, we won't be a player until next season. Look at LA, how they got gasol for nothing, we'll have rasho expiring next year - that will give us a chance to try to hit a jackpot. Probably a lot depends on MLSE - how deep they want to go with the budget, but they would be fools not to go all-in when we have a golden opportunity to be very good for a long time.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
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As much as we all love Moon, hes just not starting material for a winning team. I think his explosiveness off the bench would be useful. We need a SF whose, atheltic, proven, solid rebounder, a tough defender, and some1 who has atleast 4-5 good years left in his career.
We have the assets to complete a trade.
- Trade Hump+Graham and a 1st rounder, make Moon come off the bench and play PF.
- Trade Hump+Dixon and 1st rounder, similar situation, but aquire another guard.
- Use your mid-level acception to sign a solid SF or to use in a sign+trade
- Make a big trade and trade either Ford or Jose + sign ukic; a desperation move.
- or stay with Moon and stay behind detroit and boston for another season

Colangelo has to make a MOVE, Barney will improve on boards but he wont be averaging 9-10 anytime soon. Aquire some1 for a good price.

But then comes the question, which SF is left out there that is
- athletic
- proven
- rebounder
- tough defender
- 4-5 years left
- good price
- affordable

Your thoughts?
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Old 02-05-2008, 09:36 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Again, I stand by my list of players. I think we need to look beyond getting an all star player and these rumors of getting Igoudala are just really pipedreams.

We essentially have one all star and about 3 potential all star players in Jose, TJ and Bargs. That's impressive. And again, if we're mimicking the Spurs, and I think we are, we'll likely go with a very defensive minded SF and I see Artest fitting that role (and he has a pretty high basketball IQ, and he's become pretty mellow lately) but Artest comes at a high salary. Again, if I'm looking for a guy who can come in do some dirty work at the 3, and also play defense, I'd look primarily at Warrick (it seems that the management in Memphis are morons and he could come very cheaply), Bobby Simmons or Matt Barnes. All three could come cheaply and would fit in with our team probably immediately and provide what we truly need.

Any notion of getting an all star calibre three though need to be silenced because they're just dreams. And with good scouting in the draft, you could always potentially find that type of player in the later rounds.
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All three could come cheaply and would fit in with our team probably immediately and provide what we truly need.
Bobby Simmons has an awful contract and Milwaukee fans hate him because they say he can barely move and cant hit a shat anymore.

The problem with Ron is hes an expiring contract and probably wont re sign here.

And the problem with Barnes is Moon will probably be considered better than him by next year.

We shouldnt be looking for stop gaps at SF, if we are I'd rather stick with Moon til we make the big trade for the star sf.
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:30 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I agree - a band-aid would be good if it comes at no expense (pick and choose from graham + baston + martin + 2nd round picks) - otherwise what's the point, it won't help us win a playoff game this year, and will not make us a contender the next. Moon is very decent and it costs us nothing + he will improve a lot in the offseason, I'm pretty sure of that. Igoudala is out of the questions, but I gave him as an example. With our current roster, and if Andreea continues to grow - a star SF would definitely put us in the race in the east.
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:31 PM   #30 (permalink)
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did someone say....."warrick"??????
thats it, right there!
the guy is a legitimate player, why wont anyone see this?
sure, he's a little rough around the edges, but he's a shit-load better than Moon.
he's taller, has more length, can rebound better, is stronger around the basket and in the paint, can post up (if req'd), can slash well... and he does all blue-collar type work.
his D is good because he is quick and has a great reach.

when Gasol was injured last season, warrick avg'd about 13/7 with a block and a half, as a starter.
with Bosh at PF and Bargs at C, warrick will benifit largely, especially with Jose running the point.

athletic, tall, good length, quick feet, good rebounder who knows his role: thats the type of "inexpensive" SF we need.... and he can play the PF as an added bonus.

bye bye humps and dixon... hello Hakim.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:08 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Warrick's age is all he has on Moon.

Moon is defensively more versatile.
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I'd do Hakim for Joey and Dixon, but not Hump. I like Hump. Once he realizes what his role is and plays within it (dirty grunt worker, banging down low, collecting boards) and not wasting time on that friggin fade-away like he's Jordan, he'll more valuable - and at 2.5 mil per season for the next 4 seasons, he's a steal.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:11 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Warrick's a bit of a cement head too, no?
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:33 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Warrick isn't the brightest, but I see him as a poor man's Marion. Again, I don't see us costing much in terms of talent either. Again, I'm not sold on Jamario. I think he's a nice player, but I think what we see from him now is what we're gonna get from him. He still can't shoot, and you don't learn how to shoot when you're 28. Right now we're seeing him play in his prime and yes he's doing admirably, I think we can find a better player out there. One who simply doesn't look to block shots only.

And yes, I said Simmons and I think his contract is a tad ridiculous but he's on the wrong team in Milwaukee. I think in terms of a trade he could be had somewhat cheaply. And in Milwaukee he was brought in, idiotically mind you, to be an offensive player which he is not.
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Warrick's age is all he has on Moon.

Moon is defensively more versatile.
longer arms... longer reach.... taller.... bigger.... can play the 4..... can play C in a pinch for small ball.......
warrick has got the goods over moon.

imo, moon is getting too soft around the rim... his D is stellar, but he is far from a "shut-down" defender.
Warrick may not be as versitile but he'll get the job done and has more intangables.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:46 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Warrick's age is all he has on Moon.

Moon is defensively more versatile.
Exactly!
I dont think Warrick is quick enough laterally to play SF starting and he has to be a threat from the outside to be effective insdie at the SF position.
but yeah
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Warrick's age is all he has on Moon.

Moon is defensively more versatile.
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and he'll get wiser and less panicky as he spends more time - and hopefully a few big games - in the NBA. He won't get more athletic, and he won't be a better shooter, but he'll make better choices, and he'll always work hard because he's that kind of guy. I also like that he can guard the wings and the perimeter.

I'm not so sold on Warrick. I like him, and he can guard the 4 a bit, but we already have a pretty good 4 that plays 40 mins/game, so do we really need a guy like Warrick?

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Old 02-06-2008, 01:15 PM   #38 (permalink)
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why shouldn't he be a better shooter, Calderon was awful in his first season, and look at him now. Same goes for nash and many others. Shooting it's all about work ethic - put enough effort and you'll see results.
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Calderon et al were younger not nearing 28. There's some truth to the motto that you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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Calderon is a bad example. He hurt his achilles in his rookie season - hence the bad shooting/lack of confidence.
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