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I'm not talking about the ankle injuries. You should of seen him during the atlanta game in toronto or the Denver game. He was a huge nonfactor. Do you honestly believe you'll get at 6 years of 24 and 10 from Bosh? He was my favourite player but I'm not that delusional.
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Amar'e could come here.
16.6 million

Current CBA dictates that teams over the cap would need to make a deal that is wihin 125% of of equality +or-100,000.

In this odd senario, Toronto would indeed still be technically considered over the cap because of the tpe and it would allow them to take back a maximum salary of $20,850,000

Gay would come to a team that is young, growing, and would consider hi a VERY important piece moving forward, he would be considered almost the man here.
We're better off trying to rebuild. No more free agency gambles on players who aren't worth that much money.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:29 PM   #43 (permalink)
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We're better off trying to rebuild. No more free agency gambles on players who aren't worth that much money.
Gay at 10 - 12 million would be ok.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:31 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Again its the greed factor Bosh wants the maximum plus Chicago is notoriously cheap.

They will have Dengs contract which is high for his level of performance.
Both Rose and Noah will get the MAX when there contracts expire.
So when that happens you are looking at over 80 million for those 5 players alone.Plus with the new negotiations with the Players and a potential hard cap they would be forced to get rid of both Noah and Rose.

What ever the scenario Chicago is looking at about a 95 million salary with about 27 million in luxury taxes.

Good thing they signed a low cost coach.
But they can whip some major ass until then, and they might still whip ass if I'm starting.

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Old 06-28-2010, 08:32 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Gay at 10 - 12 million would be ok.
he's worth around there but likely getting more. Amare's definitely not worth over 16 million though.
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Gay at 10 - 12 million would be ok.
Yah but only if we can get rid of Hedo & Jose!!!
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What's up with trying to get players in here who can't even be considered an improvement over Bosh? I don't want to find out the hard way that truly, the best part of Amare's game is Steve Nash. And at least Bosh stays relatively quiet and professional when things don't go right. Amare's a self centered loose cannon.

Edit: And for Bargnani fans, Amare's just the kind of guy who would walk all over him in terms of demanding the rock. But let's see how Amare plays when he is keyed in on, double an triple teamed and doesn't have Speedy Gonzales feeding him.

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Old 06-28-2010, 08:38 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I'm not talking about the ankle injuries. You should of seen him during the atlanta game in toronto or the Denver game. He was a huge nonfactor. Do you honestly believe you'll get at 6 years of 24 and 10 from Bosh? He was my favourite player but I'm not that delusional.
He was a non-factor, but he was also still recovering from the injury, and getting into game shape. You don't recall him being player of the week shortly thereafter, once he was back at 100 percent?

The issue with him is about getting more out of him with decent health. No doubt about it. But if he keeps improving his strength it could be a non-issue. And not having to carry a team on his own would help. That could very well be a big factor in possibly taking less money than he would get in a S+T in order to play on a team with a lot more options, and save on his body some.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:50 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I don't want to find out the hard way that truly, the best part of Amare's game is Steve Nash.
It's true, Ammo

We found out this year that the best part of Hedo's game was D. Howard. We don't need to go down that round again.
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:02 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I'm not talking about the ankle injuries. You should of seen him during the atlanta game in toronto or the Denver game. He was a huge nonfactor. Do you honestly believe you'll get at 6 years of 24 and 10 from Bosh? He was my favourite player but I'm not that delusional.
You mean the ATL game that he won for us at the buzzer? lol... so he had a bad shooting night. Happens to every star in the league. He came through for us when it mattered most though.

And the DEN game.... 18/12/5 + 2 blks.... and this is what's considered a "bad game" from Bosh. Any wonder some people think he's damn good?

As long as we're pointing out games though..... how about taking a look at the stretch of games shortly AFTER that DEN game (when Bosh had his legs back)?

vs. CHA: 22/11/2 + 2 blks (WIN)

vs. LAC: 34/11/1 + 3 blks (WIN)

vs. PHI: 28/12/7 (WIN)

vs. GS: 42/13/0 + 5 stls (LOSS)


So.... 24 + 11.... only 7 yrs. in the league.... yeah.... I don't think that 20/10 for the next 6 yrs or so is out of the question.

Are you this concerned with Amare's and Boozer's futures as well?
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:07 PM   #51 (permalink)
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What's up with trying to get players in here who can't even be considered an improvement over Bosh? I don't want to find out the hard way that truly, the best part of Amare's game is Steve Nash. And at least Bosh stays relatively quiet and professional when things don't go right. Amare's a self centered loose cannon.

Edit: And for Bargnani fans, Amare's just the kind of guy who would walk all over him in terms of demanding the rock. But let's see how Amare plays when he is keyed in on, double an triple teamed and doesn't have Speedy Gonzales feeding him.
Amen.

If people are griping about Bosh I could only imagine what they'd say about Amare considering he doesn't rebound nearly as well, doesn't go to the line as much and makes Bosh look like Ben Wallace on D.
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I wasn't saying I want Amare. Far from it actually. You can do a search on this site for me and Amare and you'll likely see me ripping him.

I'm just saying I really, really wouldn't be surprised. His history with Colangelo, he'd be 'the man' etc.
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I wasn't saying I want Amare. Far from it actually. You can do a search on this site for me and Amare and you'll likely see me ripping him.

I'm just saying I really, really wouldn't be surprised. His history with Colangelo, he'd be 'the man' etc.
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:20 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I wouldn't be surprised either..... but I think that Amare's sanity would prevent him from coming here.

He's going to go to MIA or stay in PHX.

Unless he's even more of a moron than I imagined.
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No one was saying Amare, it was just an example of how the tpe could be used.

I would fully expect a swing player to be gained with the tpe as opposed to another pf.
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Why oh Why didn't he trade Bosh at the Deadline???
You could NOT have traded Bosh at the Deadline, BC would have been fired on the spot. :facepalm:

What was the record of the Raps going into the deadline?
They were on fire with hopes of being 3rd or 4th in the East.

BC rolled the dice, Bosh grabbed them and placed them as a solid snake eyes and laughed as he Winced it up till the end of the season.
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Amar'e could come here.
16.6 million

Current CBA dictates that teams over the cap would need to make a deal that is wihin 125% of of equality +or-100,000.

In this odd senario, Toronto would indeed still be technically considered over the cap because of the tpe and it would allow them to take back a maximum salary of $20,850,000

Gay would come to a team that is young, growing, and would consider hi a VERY important piece moving forward, he would be considered almost the man here.
Snooch, did you even read the part where I told you that you can't combine exceptions. The CBA regulation allowing a team to take back 125% is considered an exception clause. That 125% clause does not apply to the team that is utilizing the TPE to complete a transaction. Therefore, if the Raps use their $16.6 TPE from Bosh, they can only take back a player of equal or lesser value ($16.5 mill + 100,000).

No, Amar'e is not coming here via a TPE. If that highly unlikely move were to happen, it would be in a bigger trade. Amar'e wants a MAX contract. For him, a MAX is $17.2 million, not $16.6 million. A TPE from Bosh cannot absorb $17.2 million. End of story. It has to be a trade, and Amar'e is going to get his MAX from somebody. He might take a slight pay cut to play with Wade but he's not going to do it to play with Bargnani.

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Gay at 10 - 12 million would be ok.
Not happening. He is probably going to get an offer sheet starting at $ 13.1 million (maximum allowable for his 1st year). Like Amar'e, the only reason Rudy would play for a smaller contract is if he decides to hook up with a winning team. I think it's more likely Rudy ends up in New York or New jersey via a S&T since Heisley can threaten to match. Or maybe Heisley surprises everybody and matches an offer that starts at $13 mill.

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What's up with trying to get players in here who can't even be considered an improvement over Bosh? I don't want to find out the hard way that truly, the best part of Amare's game is Steve Nash. And at least Bosh stays relatively quiet and professional when things don't go right. Amare's a self centered loose cannon.

Edit: And for Bargnani fans, Amare's just the kind of guy who would walk all over him in terms of demanding the rock. But let's see how Amare plays when he is keyed in on, double an triple teamed and doesn't have Speedy Gonzales feeding him.
Speaking of Nash, I wouldn't mind using part of the TPE to bring him in for 2 years. If the Suns lose Amar'e and decide to rebuild, maybe the Raps stand an outside chance of getting Nash. Obviously other teams could offer better assets for him, but the Raps can offer instant savings, which might be more attractive to Sarvar. Having Nash run the show would make a rebuild more tolerable. Of course, Nash might ask Phoenix to trade him to a contendor, and out of loyalty they might oblige. A guy can dream.
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You could NOT have traded Bosh at the Deadline, BC would have been fired on the spot. :facepalm:

What was the record of the Raps going into the deadline?
They were on fire with hopes of being 3rd or 4th in the East.

BC rolled the dice, Bosh grabbed them and placed them as a solid snake eyes and laughed as he Winced it up till the end of the season.
Lol..... c'mon.
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You could NOT have traded Bosh at the Deadline, BC would have been fired on the spot. :facepalm:

What was the record of the Raps going into the deadline?
They were on fire with hopes of being 3rd or 4th in the East.

BC rolled the dice, Bosh grabbed them and placed them as a solid snake eyes and laughed as he Winced it up till the end of the season.
Either way if you had a time machine you would trade him then yes or no?
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