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Old 06-28-2010, 06:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Consultation with his star player on moves he's going to make shouldn't surprise anyone. I think there was a reason why they went after JO instead of a slasher for a reason.

Anyways, if a TPE comes here, it'd be interesting to see what he could use it for. Could he use that conceivably to go after someone like Amare? Or am I just speculating.
Maybe not necessarily Amare but BC certainly mentioned the possibility of using a TPE to go after some of the other FAs.
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Is it possible to S&T a max money player for just a pick and then get a TPE for the full value of the max contract?
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blind him like the firing of mitchell? to me it sounds like BC is trying to share his failures with the player who is very likely to leave a lot of fans upset about his departure.
I assume you didn't hear the context or the interview at all. He was asked if Bosh could have a say in players here that might keep him here and BC said he's communicated with him I'm all major transactions, which happens with every team with their main player.
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i listened to it, jeff. Bosh was unaware of the firing of the head coach, therefore i don't believe him.
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He said he spoke to Bosh about all transactions, I think this is nitpicking but he meant transactions for players. BC probably decided Smitch had to go with enough certainty he didn't want/need Bosh's consultation. Its one thing to ask a player to provide input on his piers, and another to provide input on his boss.
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i don't think the TPE is full value of the players contract. the only way we'd get amare is if say chicago, us and the suns worked something out. i don't think it'd work in a separate deal.
YEs it is full value
, A tpe can be used in a separate deal, but only on its own:


IE based on a hypothetical Bosh s&t to Miami for a pick and large TPE(16.6 million est)

That TPE could then be sent to NOH for Okafor and collison(would leave a little of the original 16.6 million tpe still in the raps possession)

That TPE could be used in a S&T for a free agent
IE: Amare S&Tfor max from Phoenix could be absolbed by Raps at 16.6 million, giving Phoenis a tpe of there own

Gay could be S&T for the tpe(probably not for the 16.6 million though


Therefor a tpe is very vasluable to the raps as it allows them to take on salary and give team looking for it instant savings. It also allows toronto to be in the Free agent hunt of 2010 without any real assets to give back in a S&T of there own.
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i listened to it, jeff. Bosh was unaware of the firing of the head coach, therefore i don't believe him.
First of all how do you know he didn't know. Secondly, why would he consult him about firing a coach? He was talking about transactions (ie: trades, FA). Firing a coach is out of players hands and is an administration decision.
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Old 06-28-2010, 07:14 PM   #28 (permalink)
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because he said he didn't after BC said that the player(s) were consulted on the decision. you're a fool if you believe everything that comes out of BC's mouth.
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Well then, IF the entire TPE can be used, well, I could see Amare come here. Just a feeling.
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BC certainly seemed pissed and a little depressed. Openly saying that everyone is in a wait and see mode.
What f__ked up NBA rules that enables this to happen.
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i don't think the TPE is full value of the players contract. the only way we'd get amare is if say chicago, us and the suns worked something out. i don't think it'd work in a separate deal.
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YEs it is full value
, A tpe can be used in a separate deal, but only on its own:


IE based on a hypothetical Bosh s&t to Miami for a pick and large TPE(16.6 million est)

That TPE could then be sent to NOH for Okafor and collison(would leave a little of the original 16.6 million tpe still in the raps possession)

That TPE could be used in a S&T for a free agent
IE: Amare S&Tfor max from Phoenix could be absolbed by Raps at 16.6 million, giving Phoenis a tpe of there own

Gay could be S&T for the tpe(probably not for the 16.6 million though


Therefor a tpe is very vasluable to the raps as it allows them to take on salary and give team looking for it instant savings. It also allows toronto to be in the Free agent hunt of 2010 without any real assets to give back in a S&T of there own.
Yeah, Jackson is partly right about a separate deal posing difficulties, even though it's possible to get full value with the TPE. In fact, you get the value + $100,000 ($16.6 mill), assuming no other salaries come back.

But to clarify things, Amare would still have to come to Toronto via a 3 team deal. Even if you get a full TPE for Bosh, it would be very difficult to work out a separate deal for Amar'e. The TPE won't cover Stoudemire's max contract, because his salary was higher than Bosh's last year. As a result, Stoudemire's max contract starts at around $17.2 million. Amar'e wants a full max contract. The TPE won't work. And, unfortunately, you CANNOT combine a TPE with another exception or an expiring contract. So, BC would need to go the 3 or 4 team deal route in order to satisfy Stoudemire.

But let's be honest, Toronto probably is not high on Stoudemire's list of desired destinations.

I don't think Rudy would come here either. At this point, if Memphis is not going to match a max offer sheet, then I bet Rudy will sign with another cap space team.

The Okafor + Collison trade seems more plausible. It could be very risky, but it might also pay off. Nobody knows for certain if Collison's production was a result of an offensive system built around the point guard, or if he was really an outstanding prospect. It could be a little of column A and a little of column B.

There are other intriguing possibilities.
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Old 06-28-2010, 07:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Why oh Why didn't he trade Bosh at the Deadline???

Man I already knew Bosh was leaving since last season WHEN I USED TO WORK FOR HIM!!!

& for the record again Bosh's Business partiner Hadi is a Lying B.I.T.C.H.!!!

Thats why I made a bet with Jeffb about Bosh being traded at the deadline this past year!

(That I lost & I am now wishing I had won that bet!)
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halph dude - it's not like BC was going to get all that much for him at the trade deadline.
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halph dude - it's not like BC was going to get all that much for him at the trade deadline.
Yah but at least it would have been more than were getting now!
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Why oh Why didn't he trade Bosh at the Deadline???

Man I already knew Bosh was leaving since last season WHEN I USED TO WORK FOR HIM!!!

& for the record again Bosh's Business partiner Hadi is a Lying B.I.T.C.H.!!!

Thats why I made a bet with Jeffb about Bosh being traded at the deadline this past year!

(That I lost & I am now wishing I had won that bet!)
He clearly said the deals offered were crap.
As far as bosh, this isn't about him. Obviously he'd prefer a S&T as well, but the problem is that the leverage is now with the receiving teams, especially the team that wants lebron. If Chicago gets lebron, and they know Bosh wants to play with lebron, they can always lowball us, knowing that we have no choice. Before they HAD to work with us, now they have so much cap space that it's irrelevant almost.
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Any team that pays Bosh a 6 year max contract with an extra 30 million is shooting themselves in the foot. He's not that good and we all know how he plays like when he doesn't have his athleticism. With all our bad contracts already he would just add icing to the cap. He would just keep us in further mediocrity.
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Any team that pays Bosh a 6 year max contract with an extra 30 million is shooting themselves in the foot. He's not that good and we all know how he plays like when he doesn't have his athleticism. With all our bad contracts already he would just add icing to the cap. He would just keep us in further mediocrity.
As opposed to all the other stars who can play through serious ankle injuries?

I don't think that either CHI or MIA would regret paying Bosh the max.
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Yeah, Jackson is partly right about a separate deal posing difficulties, even though it's possible to get full value with the TPE. In fact, you get the value + $100,000 ($16.6 mill), assuming no other salaries come back.

But to clarify things, Amare would still have to come to Toronto via a 3 team deal. Even if you get a full TPE for Bosh, it would be very difficult to work out a separate deal for Amar'e. The TPE won't cover Stoudemire's max contract, because his salary was higher than Bosh's last year. As a result, Stoudemire's max contract starts at around $17.2 million. Amar'e wants a full max contract. The TPE won't work. And, unfortunately, you CANNOT combine a TPE with another exception or an expiring contract. So, BC would need to go the 3 or 4 team deal route in order to satisfy Stoudemire.

But let's be honest, Toronto probably is not high on Stoudemire's list of desired destinations.

I don't think Rudy would come here either. At this point, if Memphis is not going to match a max offer sheet, then I bet Rudy will sign with another cap space team.

The Okafor + Collison trade seems more plausible. It could be very risky, but it might also pay off. Nobody knows for certain if Collison's production was a result of an offensive system built around the point guard, or if he was really an outstanding prospect. It could be a little of column A and a little of column B.

There are other intriguing possibilities.
Amar'e could come here.
16.6 million

Current CBA dictates that teams over the cap would need to make a deal that is wihin 125% of of equality +or-100,000.

In this odd senario, Toronto would indeed still be technically considered over the cap because of the tpe and it would allow them to take back a maximum salary of $20,850,000

Gay would come to a team that is young, growing, and would consider hi a VERY important piece moving forward, he would be considered almost the man here.
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He clearly said the deals offered were crap.
As far as bosh, this isn't about him. Obviously he'd prefer a S&T as well, but the problem is that the leverage is now with the receiving teams, especially the team that wants lebron. If Chicago gets lebron, and they know Bosh wants to play with lebron, they can always lowball us, knowing that we have no choice. Before they HAD to work with us, now they have so much cap space that it's irrelevant almost.
Again its the greed factor Bosh wants the maximum plus Chicago is notoriously cheap.

They will have Dengs contract which is high for his level of performance.
Both Rose and Noah will get the MAX when there contracts expire.
So when that happens you are looking at over 80 million for those 5 players alone.Plus with the new negotiations with the Players and a potential hard cap they would be forced to get rid of both Noah and Rose.

What ever the scenario Chicago is looking at about a 95 million salary with about 27 million in luxury taxes.

Good thing they signed a low cost coach.
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I'm not talking about the ankle injuries. You should of seen him during the atlanta game in toronto or the Denver game. He was a huge nonfactor. Do you honestly believe you'll get at 6 years of 24 and 10 from Bosh? He was my favourite player but I'm not that delusional.
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