Is it the coaching, or the players?
Old 12-11-2009, 08:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Whenever we are playing a good team, it always seems as if the players are lost on the court. Literally, most pickup basketball games i play are more organized compared to how the Raptors play.

Why are the Raptors always so unorganized?

Why does Bosh suck when he has to go against good teams/players?

Why the hell doesn't triano call a damn timeout when the opposing team is starting a run?

Why the hell does triano take out the hot players and insert bench guys who have yet to show signs of consistent gameplay?

Honestly, trianos a huge dumbass. Sonny Weems should have either started or came of the bench first since we were playing atlanta.

Nonetheless, raps are still fun to watch !

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Old 12-11-2009, 08:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Coaches, period! Coached properly this is a much better team then this. The offence looks disjointed, stagnant, disorganized and they simply constantly play the same plays every time down the floor with no ball movement at all. Seriously, triano's playbook is shorter then Sam's, and it doesn't allow for any creativity. Not only that, he has the wrong personality for this team. He's too chicken shit to get on players, which this team needs big time. Obviously this is a team that needs a kick in the pants once in awhile.
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Atlanta is better than us but we shouldn't be getting man handled the way we do. It's just sad 'cause we're better than what our record indicates. I agree with Jeff though, Triano doesn't know what he's doing 90% of the time.
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the GM has to take responsibility. he picked the players and the coach and one thing he needs to consider is how these guys mix with the personality of the coach. he obviously knows jay better than any of us armchair experts, and for whatever reason saw jay's vision as the one needed going forward with his lineup.
the GM is the architect of this mediocrity. the blame ultimately sits on him. blaming the coach entirely is easy street. i'm not entirely sold on these players. i loved what BC did in the summer, but seeing these guys play, man are they up and down. the only guy who hasn't been a question mark every night has been bosh. everyone else is a crapshoot whether they come ready to play.
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Atlanta is better than us but we shouldn't be getting man handled the way we do. It's just sad 'cause we're better than what our record indicates. I agree with Jeff though, Triano doesn't know what he's doing 90% of the time.
Seriously, we were down 20 tonight and he just sat there, mouth agaped and not saying a word. He has no passion, and the team has taken on the personality of this coach.
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the GM has to take responsibility. he picked the players and the coach and one thing he needs to consider is how these guys mix with the personality of the coach. he obviously knows jay better than any of us armchair experts, and for whatever reason saw jay's vision as the one needed going forward with his lineup.
the GM is the architect of this mediocrity. the blame ultimately sits on him. blaming the coach entirely is easy street. i'm not entirely sold on these players. i loved what BC did in the summer, but seeing these guys play, man are they up and down. the only guy who hasn't been a question mark every night has been bosh. everyone else is a crapshoot whether they come ready to play.
Like i've said the only mistake BC made this summer and it's a major one, is keeping Triano. He did everything he could this summer and this team is the deepest in 6-7 years here easy. Look at the play calls, look at the body language. It's not good, and Triano looks absolutely lost out there.
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Let Alvin Williams coach. Sure wouldn't be worst than what Triano is doing
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the GM has to take responsibility. he picked the players and the coach and one thing he needs to consider is how these guys mix with the personality of the coach. he obviously knows jay better than any of us armchair experts, and for whatever reason saw jay's vision as the one needed going forward with his lineup.
the GM is the architect of this mediocrity. the blame ultimately sits on him. blaming the coach entirely is easy street. i'm not entirely sold on these players. i loved what BC did in the summer, but seeing these guys play, man are they up and down. the only guy who hasn't been a question mark every night has been bosh. everyone else is a crapshoot whether they come ready to play.
blame... or, responsibility to intervene, which I prefer.
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think Triano is A problem, but not the only one. I really believe that Triano is an excellent X's and O's type coach. His skill as a coach is player development, which is evident with the improvement in Bargs play since he became coach. I don't believe he is a competent in-game coach. He is making a lot of "rookie" coach mistakes. Very much like Paul Maurice when he was in Toronto. But, blame that piece of s%#t Iavaroni as well. Whatever stupid defensive scheme he was brought in to implement is not working. They need to keep it simple, not implement something tough and hope the team gets it by game 40. Wanna see a good young coach, look at Scotty for the Bucks.
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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In the offseason I hope the Raps can get Lawrence Frank, but then we would be paying Sam and Jay for sitting on their ass
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:15 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think Triano is A problem, but not the only one. I really believe that Triano is an excellent X's and O's type coach. His skill as a coach is player development, which is evident with the improvement in Bargs play since he became coach. I don't believe he is a competent in-game coach. He is making a lot of "rookie" coach mistakes. Very much like Paul Maurice when he was in Toronto. But, blame that piece of s%#t Iavaroni as well. Whatever stupid defensive scheme he was brought in to implement is not working. They need to keep it simple, not implement something tough and hope the team gets it by game 40. Wanna see a good young coach, look at Scotty for the Bucks.

Paul Maurice was far from a rookie coach when in Toronto. And as for Triano's X's & O's, i don't see it at all. His playcalling and overall game plans are horrid. His playbook is beyond small.
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Word didn't Paul Maurice go to the Stanley Cup with the 'Canes
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They're just misguided imo
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Alright, maybe Maurice is a bad example, but he did suck in Toronto. But Triano can't be too bad if USA Basketball uses him to train their "young team" The issues with the Raptors go way past him. Maybe a top flight coach could help some more, but lets be honest.

The defense sucks because no player here can consistently help our PG out.
We shoot way too many jump shots to be a high win percentage team.
There are too many offensive players in the starting lineup.
that's just three, I can come up with 50 more reasons this team is inconsistent.
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Alright, maybe Maurice is a bad example, but he did suck in Toronto. But Triano can't be too bad if USA Basketball uses him to train their "young team" The issues with the Raptors go way past him.
Fuck that, that's getting old. USA basketball never looked at him until BC came here and that's his connection that got him in. The fact is this team hasn't had an experienced coach in 6-7 years and if we are ever gonna win, especially in the playoffs and experienced coach with passion has to be brought in here to help take us to another level. I don't know if MLSE tied BC's hands because they were already paying Mitchell, but i don't care........experience is needed. Bosh has to be getting sick of inexperienced coaches and having to go through transitions. He's as good as gone.


Enough rookie coaches

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04-08 Mitchell

08-present Triano

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Paul Maurice was far from a rookie coach when in Toronto. And as for Triano's X's & O's, i don't see it at all. His playcalling and overall game plans are horrid. His playbook is beyond small.
triano's success as a coach was not so much an x's and o's situation, but putting steve nash in ideal situations to create for his teammates. todd macculoch was all-world on that team largely because of nash's playmaking. he's doing the same on this team, trouble is, the personnel is light years away from nash.
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Avery Johnson, Jeff Van Gundy, Lawrence Frank we need someone with experience
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Avery Johnson, Jeff Van Gundy, Lawrence Frank we need someone with experience
Any one of those 3 would be great for this team.
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