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Old 02-01-2011, 09:31 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Toronto is in a better rebuilding spot due to the fact that we have better youngsters.
Cleveland's only 2 promising young players are boobie gibson and JJ hickson (who arent even that good to begin with), other than that, they have nothing else.
Boobie Gibson? LOOOOLLLL

I swear that kid has no potential and is already in his prime. JJ hickson wouldn't even be starting on a good team(even though he did a little bit in Cleveland last year, but that's because they had no one else.)

Cavaliers are in a HORRIBLE spot in terms of young talent and contracts. They basically have no one to look forward to in the future and they still have to pay Williams', Jamison's and Varejoe's contracts off for the next few years.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Toronto. I would love to have the 1st pick that it looks like Cleveland will get because you want to select the most electrifying player available when your franchise is that low.

But Toronto gained an advantage early by being open to the idea Bosh would walk and putting in place some contingencies. Cleveland waited 'til their public spanking to react. Also, Bosh was Toronto's best player while LeBron was everything in Cleveland. Would they trade their entire team for this one? Absolutely.
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Toronto. I would love to have the 1st pick that it looks like Cleveland will get because you want to select the most electrifying player available when your franchise is that low.

But Toronto gained an advantage early by being open to the idea Bosh would walk and putting in place some contingencies. Cleveland waited 'til their public spanking to react. Also, Bosh was Toronto's best player while LeBron was everything in Cleveland. Would they trade their entire team for this one? Absolutely.
How does it look like Cleveland is gonna get it?
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How does it look like Cleveland is gonna get it?
I know it's a lottery, but are these guys gonna win another game? And after Reggie and Barbosa come back, who knows where we'll finish.
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I know it's a lottery, but are these guys gonna win another game?
If they didn't it's far from guaranteeing them the #1 pick. Just saying.
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The one area I may give Cleveland an advantage in is ownership. Gilbert seems willing to spend there, while, well, we're stuck with MLSE.

So, there's one place where they have an advantage. Also, Hickson seems to have some value around the league and they could always deal him with one of their worse contracts and see what comes of it.

It's not that clear cut to me.
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If they didn't it's far from guaranteeing them the #1 pick. Just saying.
How far can you fall if you have the #1 draft seeding anyway? Is it that you can only drop one spot if someone with lower odds jumps up and wins?

Either way, Miami needs to do some losing so that late pick might be combined with something/someone to move up with the 2nd 1st rounder. Now they are saddled with Kleiza's busted knee . He was someone who could have been moved to a team that needs a role player.
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Old 02-03-2011, 03:53 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Cle major assets:
Antwan Jamison
Anderson Varejao

Tor major assets:
Bargnani
Derozan

Cle bad contracts:
Mo Williams

TOR bad contracts:
Calderon
Amir Johnson
Linas Kleiza

The only deperatment we lose in is the bad contracts. Unfortunately, our youth isn't Blake/Eric-esq either...

Tough question Claudius.
Amir Johnson... Bad contract?
You were not watching last nights game where you. His shooting has improved thisyear and his number of fouls have decreased. He is doing exactly what we paid him for.
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How far can you fall if you have the #1 draft seeding anyway? Is it that you can only drop one spot if someone with lower odds jumps up and wins?
the lottery is for picks 1-3. if you have the #1 seed, and 3 people below you get the 3 top draws, you can only drop to 4. 2 can drop to 5 and 3 can drop to 6.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:34 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Stupid question. Toronto all the way.
Who said Boobie is a youngster? The guy already showed everything he can. JJ? You know, CAVS fans loves JJ almost like you guys love Bargnani. JJ Hickson can't rebound, defend or catch the ball, he is frustrating. Eyenga and Harris are the best young players there, what else to say? Mo is terrible play maker, a lot o fans can't stand him. Don't forget Jamison. No one wants his contract, he is obstacle to rebuilding team.
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Old 02-03-2011, 10:51 PM   #31 (permalink)
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this argument can be solved by simply saying 1 name

demar derozan! can you name anyone on the cavs that you would say has more optimism around him in terms of rebuilding?

when i think rebuild i think of about 3 guys on a team and the rest should be new, in the case of both teams demar trumps all

if you want to look deeper i'd put hickson against davis and i'm pretty sure everyone would go for davis
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