Is Chucky Weems turning into Joey Graham?
Old 12-05-2010, 04:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Joey Graham used to be the savior, he had alot of hype but absolutely no basketball IQ. Over the past few weeks Sonny has been acting alot like Joey Graham, having no basketball IQ. He is turning into the chucker Graham turned into, we need to make a run at Evan Turner or something, Sonny cannot continue to start.
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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More like Jamario Moon.

His rise in the lineup reminds me of Moon.
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hes moving the ball and getting dimes his shots are just not falling like they normally do I don't think this demonstrates low basketball IQ. Aside from Bayless and Amir i thought the Raptors where trash today.
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What's Sonny's main weapon? Jump shot? Handles? Three ball? I can't really see the reason why he's starting over Kleiza. Not to mention that Kleiza has been non-factor for the past several games. But I think it's a given if Kleiza gets more minutes, he would feel more secure, thus making better shots.
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Kleiza should get the starting spot back. Sonny played good in the start but now he isn't so much, let Kleiza start and if that doesn't work out still then let Sonny start again
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Weems would benefit coming off the bench, but Kleiza would have to show that he can be in the starting line up. I find it that most of the time when Derozan and Weems are both on the court, one of them shines and the other doesn't. There are only a few games where they both shine. Having one starting and one coming off the bench would be good for the team in the SG position. Play them both when were going small and running the the floor in Young Gunz mode.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
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More like Jamario Moon.

His rise in the lineup reminds me of Moon.
almost an exact parrallel. Seems his defence that was once his hallmark, has since slipped as well... much like moon.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I can see how SF may end needing an upgrade in the end to go forward.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:31 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Joey Graham used to be the savior, he had alot of hype but absolutely no basketball IQ. Over the past few weeks Sonny has been acting alot like Joey Graham, having no basketball IQ. He is turning into the chucker Graham turned into, we need to make a run at Evan Turner or something, Sonny cannot continue to start.

Lol.

Sonny Weems is slightly better than Joey. However your opinion or both is ridiculous and your assessment is worse. Savoirs? Are you bipolar? Does everyone have to suck or be a god?

And NOW he can't continue to start?
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Sonny Weems had a solid stint and now just needs to calm down a little and not over-force his offense. I think Kleiza should start a few game to see whether he still works in Toronto. Since Weems is struggling is the ideal time. Paying Kleiza 5,000,000 to play 10 minutes is not too wise.

I also doubt that Weems will re-sign with the Raptors. I think he will demand money that the Raptors won't want to match, especially considering we have so many SF/SGs. But you never know. Kleiza might not work so that would give him space. Plus Wright won't get resigned.

Here's a link to FAs after this season: NBA free agents in 2010 and 2011 - ESPN

A ton of SFs will be available. I think the Raptors ideally need a defensive center though.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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More like Jamario Moon.

His rise in the lineup reminds me of Moon.
It's a very good comparison.

Moon first year: defended well, got a lot of dunks, contributed on the glass
Weems first year: defended well, athletic

Moon second year: poor defense, settled for 3's
Weems second year: poor defense, prefers to shoot

Weems isn't as bad as 2nd year Moon though, he will still drive the ball and finish strong. But if he still want to support of Raptor fans, he needs to move the ball instead of taking contested pull up jumpers.
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Old 12-05-2010, 06:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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haha oh man. weems has a bad game and he's getting compared to jabroni graham, a man who never managed to put together four quarters of good basketball in his career?
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Everyone has bad games! Clarence is hell of a player ... patience.
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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haha oh man. weems has a bad game and he's getting compared to jabroni graham, a man who never managed to put together four quarters of good basketball in his career?
a bad game? He's had quite a few recently.
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Weems would benefit coming off the bench, but Kleiza would have to show that he can be in the starting line up. I find it that most of the time when Derozan and Weems are both on the court, one of them shines and the other doesn't. There are only a few games where they both shine. Having one starting and one coming off the bench would be good for the team in the SG position. Play them both when were going small and running the the floor in Young Gunz mode.
Totally agree with that. It's sad watching one do so well and the other sucking ass. And usually it makes the one that's sucking want to force his offense to get in the mix which leads to wasted possessions. Good idea to keep one of them on at the 2 for the most part.

Also agree with letting Kleiza get a few starts while Weems is struggling. I too have hated watching Kleiza play in the past few games and today just made my opinion on him worse. But I do suppose that it's because he doesn't feel as comfortable on the floor since his minutes have been limited and maybe he's just trying to force his offense to prove Triano he should play more which evidently leads to bad decisions.
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a bad game? He's had quite a few recently.
You jump on and off a band wagon with the best of them...
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a bad game? He's had quite a few recently.
and there was also a stretch from nov 2nd to nov 21st where he averaged 16 with solid rebounding and assist numbers (busted the calculator out for this one).

realistically he's a 7th or 8th man on a good team but at this point there's no way kleiza is a better option. he's a better fit for the starting lineup and the sort of game that the starting lineup wants to play. uptempo basketball. quick, fast, athletic, all of which kleiza is not. weems pushes the ball, plays solid defense and crashes the glass. kleiza has been a huge disappointment.
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and there was also a stretch from nov 2nd to nov 21st where he averaged 16 with solid rebounding and assist numbers (busted the calculator out for this one).

realistically he's a 7th or 8th man on a good team but at this point there's no way kleiza is a better option. he's a better fit for the starting lineup and the sort of game that the starting lineup wants to play. uptempo basketball. quick, fast, athletic, all of which kleiza is not. weems pushes the ball, plays solid defense and crashes the glass. kleiza has been a huge disappointment.
Yes Weems is athletic and if you want to run, then he's a better fit. But I think Kleiza needs to be given an opportunity. When he was starting he was also quite productive. Since Weems took his spot Kleiza has been hugely erratic.

Playing Kleiza over Weems you may be sacrificing speed, 1-on-1 defense and playmaking, but Kleiza is a better rebounder, shooter, and post player. Since Weems has been struggling recently it's fair to give Kleiza a chance. If he doesn't work out then you could start shopping Kleiza in February. It's not much too lose.

Also statistically, Weems is averaging 12.7 PPG, 2.2 APG, and 2.7 RBG, per 26.6 minutes. Kleiza is averaging 10.1 PPG, 3.7 RBG, 0.9 APG in 23.7 minutes. The production is not too different.
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sonny only sees 1 thing, the rim, when he sees the ball in his hands he wants to take the shot, but the problem here is he hasn't proven that he has a consistent shot, the worst thing that happened was he got that 3 point game winner, now he thinks his range is to the 3 point line
the only time he passes is if he see demar
the offense on the Raptors should be run through the PGs, i trust jose and bayless to find a guy or take the shot because i trust their shots, if they're not on the floor the only other guy that should be dribbling the ball more than just around a pick is barbosa because he is our only true break down man, nobody else should be controlling the ball for more than a few seconds
the shots should be running through Bargnani when he's on the court
so in recap the offense should be through the PGs (jose/bayless), Bargs and barbosa, everyone else should be getting the ball only when its swung around to them or in loose ball situations
weems is no break down guy, when he touches the ball i get uneasy
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Is Weems a chucker? Yeah, he's been one all season. But he's light years ahead of Joey-brainfart-Graham. Joey couldn't get near the basket without committing a charge. Joey only learned how to dribble the ball more than a few feet without travelling in his fourth seasons. Joey played PF in college (his brother was the SF on his team) and it showed in his NBA game - he was always way too slow for SG and even SF.

I don't know if Weems has peaked or just hit a wall, but he's definitely in a bit of a slump.
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