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Old 01-03-2012, 05:29 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I really think should can be distilled down to "who is the bigger douchebag and why would I want said douchebag on any team?"

Seems a no brainer
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:34 PM   #102 (permalink)
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I really think should can be distilled down to "who is the bigger douchebag and why would I want said douchebag on any team?"

Seems a no brainer
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:38 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Hey. How's this? It doesn't matter. Bosh won't give a shit if guys here think Mago is better than him if he's got a chance at a ring every year. And nobody here is going to care either way all that much if we can't watch a team at least go .500 in the near future.

A. There is way too much emphasis on individual players in this league. This allows so-so teams and shitty teams to have some kind of consolation by obsessing over their guy's relative rankings. But those rankings don't count for squat. Don't get me wrong, they can be fun, but when you haven't seen a whole lot of results from your team in the entirety of it's history, it gets a little stale. And

B. This team hasn't really had a player that is truly special. There have been an array of good to very good players, a guy with special talent that was also uniquely gifted at wasting that talent, and a guy who was able to work hard enough to stand out as a regular All Star. That's kind of sad for 17 years of ball here. I just can't care enough unless Andrea becomes the next Dirk, and I've been solded for even making the slightest comparison, so let's not go there.

C. It just doesn't matter.
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:52 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Hey. How's this? It doesn't matter. Bosh won't give a shit if guys here think Mago is better than him if he's got a chance at a ring every year. And nobody here is going to care either way all that much if we can't watch a team at least go .500 in the near future.

A. There is way too much emphasis on individual players in this league. This allows so-so teams and shitty teams to have some kind of consolation by obsessing over their guy's relative rankings. But those rankings don't count for squat. Don't get me wrong, they can be fun, but when you haven't seen a whole lot of results from your team in the entirety of it's history, it gets a little stale. And

B. This team hasn't really had a player that is truly special. There have been an array of good to very good players, a guy with special talent that was also uniquely gifted at wasting that talent, and a guy who was able to work hard enough to stand out as a regular All Star. That's kind of sad for 17 years of ball here. I just can't care enough unless Andrea becomes the next Dirk, and I've been solded for even making the slightest comparison, so let's not go there.

C. It just doesn't matter.
I love it... but we had Vince and he put Toronto on the map. But I see the rest and say well played sir.
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:03 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Did Vince waste his talent?

Looking back, perhapes constant nagging knee pangs caught up to him quite quickly and he never had a chance to become the goat once his explosiveness was lost. Unfortunately he handled the situation very poorly and pathetically rolled on the ground every game so he could be removed to the locker room instead of battling a la Pierce/Roy. Add to that the Toronto media getting to him, and Vince's legacy is best forgotten.
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:07 PM   #106 (permalink)
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If Bosh is still celebrated by Raps fans, why would we forget Vince's accomplishments? He was our goat and it isn't even close.

What he did in a raps uni is simply awe-inspiring. He was Kevin Durant's favourite player!
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:11 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Vince took nights off and played a pretty undisciplined game even when in his prime (which was a downfall of Butch as well). He had every chance to overachieve and mostly underachieved instead. His team peaked at the right time to go 7 games in the second round. I wonder what would have happened had the last shot gone to the very hot hand in Curry rather than Vince.
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:13 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Awe-inspiring and yet in the end pathetic.

As a whole;

Bosh>Carter

But as LX says, neither achieved true greatness.
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Awe-inspiring and yet in the end pathetic.

As a whole;

Bosh>Carter

But as LX says, neither achieved true greatness.
Pretty sure you're talking about Bosh too. Carter > Bosh.
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:56 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Why is it so crazy to think Bargs might finally have surpassed Bosh in terms of talent wise? Is it really the same as comparing Butler and Durant?

Bosh has clearly had the better career so far. Many because he was thrust into the franchise role in only his sophomore season, while Andrea had to play under CB's shadow up until last year. There is a lot of career left for both players. Andrea still has time to show that he is an elite player, only time will tell which one had the better career at the end of the day.
Because he hasn't lol.

I can't believe that this has gone to 6 pages. Some serious trolling going on in here.

All this stuff about "Bargs playing in CB's shadow" is hogwash. Bargs HAD his chance to shine several times when Bosh was out with injuries... and for the most part it wasn't pretty. Not at all.

There isn't a GM in the league who would take Bargs over Bosh. Not one.

I'm sorry... but insisting that Andrea is better based on this short season is like saying that Jose is better than Deron Williams (who has struggled so far this season).
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Because he hasn't lol.

I can't believe that this has gone to 6 pages. Some serious trolling going on in here.

All this stuff about "Bargs playing in CB's shadow" is hogwash. Bargs HAD his chance to shine several times when Bosh was out with injuries... and for the most part it wasn't pretty. Not at all.

There isn't a GM in the league who would take Bargs over Bosh. Not one.

I'm sorry... but insisting that Andrea is better based on this short season is like saying that Jose is better than Deron Williams (who has struggled so far this season).
How well did Bosh fair in his rookie season when Vince was injured and he had to be "the guy" for the team on that night? I wouldn't know, but I'm guessing not too well.

How do you know that not even one GM would consider taking Bargs over Bosh? Did you take the time out of your day to personally ask each and every GM in this glorious league that question? Or are you just making assumptions based on your opinion...

Maybe it is too early in the season. Why don't we just lock this baby up and revisit it in April, maybe then you guys will consider what I'm saying.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:32 PM   #112 (permalink)
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How well did Bosh fair in his rookie season when Vince was injured and he had to be "the guy" for the team on that night? I wouldn't know, but I'm guessing not too well.

How do you know that not even one GM would consider taking Bargs over Bosh? Did you take the time out of your day to personally ask each and every GM in this glorious league that question? Or are you just making assumptions based on your opinion...

Maybe it is too early in the season. Why don't we just lock this baby up and revisit it in April, maybe then you guys will consider what I'm saying.
Andrea wasn't a rookie when Bosh was injured that last season before he left.

I don't have to ask every GM in the league if they'd take a 6-time all-star over a guy been mediocre at best for his entire career. Just like I don't have to ask them if they'd take Deron over Jose. It's just a no-brainer.

Your enthusiasm is great but you have to see that this won't ever be a real debate until Bargs put together about 4-5 solid seasons in a row and becomes a regular on the all-star team.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:42 PM   #113 (permalink)
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bosh boys getting upset now that the Messiah is rising as predicted.

easy question, easy answer. Bargs is better always has been.
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Andrea wasn't a rookie when Bosh was injured that last season before he left.

I don't have to ask every GM in the league if they'd take a 6-time all-star over a guy been mediocre at best for his entire career. Just like I don't have to ask them if they'd take Deron over Jose. It's just a no-brainer.

Your enthusiasm is great but you have to see that this won't ever be a real debate until Bargs put together about 4-5 solid seasons in a row and becomes a regular on the all-star team.
Alright, I get what you're saying. Andrea hasn't proved much so far in his relatively young career. Bosh has the All-Star nominations and the league-wide recognition. But there's lots of time for Andrea to become a perennial All-Star.

I think the steps he's taken so far this season can be sustained throughout the rest of the season and beyond. But that's just from what I've seen him do on the court. Coach Casey is expecting a lot out of Andrea, and I don't think he'll settle for anything less than Andrea playing to the best of his abilities.

Maybe he hasn't taken that next step and will shell back into his former self. Or maybe he will finally be the prolific scoring NBA big-man that we hoped he would turn out to be. I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping for the latter. Not just to prove a point, but for the benefit of the team.

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Andrea wasn't a rookie when Bosh was injured that last season before he left.

I don't have to ask every GM in the league if they'd take a 6-time all-star over a guy been mediocre at best for his entire career. Just like I don't have to ask them if they'd take Deron over Jose. It's just a no-brainer.

Your enthusiasm is great but you have to see that this won't ever be a real debate until Bargs put together about 4-5 solid seasons in a row and becomes a regular on the all-star team.
Pat Riley would take Bargs over Bosh for the contract he has + production....

a 7 footer who spreads the floor and can shoot 3's over Bosh anyday with a d-wade and lebron on on his roster...

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Pat Riley would take Bargs over Bosh for the contract he has + production....

a 7 footer who spreads the floor and can shoot 3's over Bosh anyday with a d-wade and lebron on on his roster...
Uh - huh. You do realize that Riley expects much more defensively than what Bargnani is showing over these 5 games. The production is not what he's about. Take a look at who's playing C for them. That's what he looks for. The antithesis of Bargnani.
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Alright, I get what you're saying. Andrea hasn't proved much so far in his relatively young career. Bosh has the All-Star nominations and the league-wide recognition. But there's lots of time for Andrea to become a perennial All-Star.

I think the steps he's taken so far this season can be sustained throughout the rest of the season and beyond. But that's just from what I've seen him do on the court. Coach Casey is expecting a lot out of Andrea, and I don't think he'll settle for anything less than Andrea playing to the best of his abilities.

Maybe he hasn't taken that next step and will shell back into his former self. Or maybe he will finally be the prolific scoring NBA big-man that we hoped he would turn out to be. I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping for the later. Not just to prove a point, but for the benefit of the team.
Plus one. And damn rights Casey won't expect anything less. I'm not sure why we were asked to for so long.
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Uh - huh. You do realize that Riley expects much more defensively than what Bargnani is showing over these 5 games. The production is not what he's about. Take a look at who's playing C for them. That's what he looks for. The antithesis of Bargnani.
uh - huh - You do realize the 8 mill or so that can be used in the difference of the salaries between the 2, to put a solid defensive center beside Bargs?
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Old 01-03-2012, 09:23 PM   #119 (permalink)
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In my opinion, thats a tough comparison.

You cant compare both because of their different playing style. Bosh is a modern PF, mobile with a great midrange-J and Bargs is more like a Nowitzki, a perimeter player and some drives to the rim.

Defensively, none of them were good. It would have been nice to see with Casey as Boshs coach. I mean look at Bargnani, who sucked on the defensive end since 2006. With Casey he's mediocre.

Actually Bosh is the better player atm, but it could be interesting where Bargs will be one or two seasons in the future. He has all the skills to be a better player than Chris Bosh.
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It's obvious that it's not obvious by looking at the poll results.
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