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Chris Bosh 58 76.32%
Andrea Bargnani 18 23.68%
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:01 PM   #61 (permalink)
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as far as offense though, I always liked Andrea's game better, but it's difficult to say who's better. Bosh has that quick first step who is money against slower defenders, but absolutely useless against quick ones.

Both are great shooters, but Andrea has far better range and is taller. Bosh struggles against tall and quick defenders (KG, Chandler etc) who can take both his weapons away and his post game is pretty much useless against any PF/C.

Andrea on the other hand is a bit harder to stop, he can really score against any type of defender, and ever since he improved his post game so he can't be defended with SFs any longer, he's a very tough matchup. His biggest weakness is that he can't really post most PF/C and doesn't have a style that lends itself to getting to the line.

Ultimately, I like Andrea better because of his overall impact on the team. Bosh could attract double teams if the other team didn't have a top defender to contain him one on one. However, against the top teams, that almost never happened. Bargnani's advantage is that he can draw a quality big away. For example, yesterday, when they tried to put chandler on him, the basket area was wide open and that allowed derozan to get a few easy points in the 4th.

I would grade Bosh a 7/10 on offense and 5/10 on defense and Bargnani a 8/10 on O and 2/10 on D (although he played like a 5/10 on D this season so far).
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:06 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I love these threads were everyone speaks concrete on areas that are completely subjective interpretations of stats and what we see on TV of a player. Then we take that subjective interpretation and apply it to another subjective interpretation of another player and say 'compare'. Problem is the person applying that subjective interpretation will always be emotionally skewered, skewered enough to fit any argument the person is making. Nothing fits that more than stating Bosh's 'his worst defensive year was still better than andrea's best'

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i would rather have bargnani
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lol, how is that the argument at hand. ur poll is asking who is the better player. simple question. and its bosh. and ur going on and on about all this other irrelevant stuff. throw out all the other stuff. money, style of play, attitude, etc etc. in a vaccum, who is the better player? because thats all you asked.

even tho ur last question is irrelevant, i'll answer it anyways. Bosh is making franchise money. with Bosh we're a mediocre team. with Bargnani we're a mediocre team. having Bosh would hinder our rebuild. having Bargnani doesn't. so i would rather have bargnani. but this thread is only asking who is the better player
Well now you're just nit-picking. Would you like me to change the poll question? Would that make you feel better?

Alright, so you think Bosh is the better player. I can respect that, there's a poll up there for a reason. To voice each others opinions on the topic at hand. But you haven't once explained to me why you think he is superior compared to Bargnani. What you have said is:

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this isn't even a debate lol. people who voted for Bargnani are you guys serious? either you guys are trolling, voting based on who ur a fan of, or no nothing about basketball.
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:13 PM   #65 (permalink)
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I'm not saying he's better than Bosh, yet.
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CB was a great, great player for us, I won't deny that. But give me the choice of building around Bosh or Bargnani, I'll take Bargs. But to each their own.
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I'd much rather have him being the first option rather than Bosh, especially when the game is on the line.
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And wouldn't "Who would you rather have" or "Who's the better fit for this team" be the same as who is the better player? Why wouldn't you take the better player? Why would you choose the lesser player to play for our team?
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How can anyone look at the playoffs from last season, and suggest Bosh wasn't playing defense? That's a remarkable assertion. As is the idea that Bargnani continued to improve last season. If anything he regressed.
This. Bosh played solid man defence and excellent help defence on most nights, saying he wasn't playing D just means you didn't watch the games.

Also, Bosh is much better than Andrea. Bosh is a better defender, better rebounder, smarter player. This shouldn't be a debate. At all. Bosh is very good at driving and drawing fouls from slick moves. His pump fake is a thing of beauty. One of the best in the league, not just from big men, but from all players.

Also, the better player is not always the better fit. Who would be a better fit on the Lakers, Dwight or Deron Williams? Obviously Deron. Who's the better player? Obviously Dwight. Better player and better fit are two entirely different subjects.
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this isn't even a debate lol. people who voted for Bargnani are you guys serious? either you guys are trolling, voting based on who ur a fan of, or no nothing about basketball.
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Well now you're just nit-picking. Would you like me to change the poll question? Would that make you feel better?
thats not the point. the point is you set up the poll question and i answered according to the poll but ur talking about something else. so yes you should change the poll question because as it is currently, its not a debate.

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Alright, so you think Bosh is the better player. I can respect that, there's a poll up there for a reason. To voice each others opinions on the topic at hand. But you haven't once explained to me why you think he is superior compared to Bargnani.
just because you set up a poll doesn't automatically mean its up for discussion. i could set up a poll thats asking who is better between lebron and james johnson. doesn't mean its up for discussion lol.
but like jeffb and toraps have said before me. once he makes AT LEAST one allstar game we can have this discussion. thats being very lenient
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What point are you trying to make here? That you can make quotes?
that u contradicted urself. but it doesn't surprise me that you failed to see that
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Oh man, just read the quotes again. You are all over the place. And his last quote was hilarious. He basically owned you with your own words. He didn't type a single character.
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Bargnani is the better player. It's obvious. One is the best player on his team and the other battles Battier, Haslem, Anthony, Miller and Chalmers for who got next after LBJ and Wade.
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Bargnani is the better player. It's obvious. One is the best player on his team and the other battles Battier, Haslem, Anthony, Miller and Chalmers for who got next after LBJ and Wade.
The third option scores at nearly the same clip on better FG% and can out rebound the other with one hand tied behind his back.
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thats not the point. the point is you set up the poll question and i answered according to the poll but ur talking about something else. so yes you should change the poll question because as it is currently, its not a debate.
It's not a debate? Ask every GM in the league who is the better player and I bet you won't get a consensus.

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just because you set up a poll doesn't automatically mean its up for discussion. i could set up a poll thats asking who is better between lebron and james johnson. doesn't mean its up for discussion lol.
but like jeffb and toraps have said before me. once he makes AT LEAST one allstar game we can have this discussion. thats being very lenient
Well, my mistake then. I thought this was a message board, a place where we discuss things. I think Andrea is better than Bosh, you think Bosh is better than Andrea. You voiced you're opinion, I voiced mine. Gotta love those freedom of speech laws, huh?
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The third option scores at nearly the same clip on better FG% and can out rebound the other with one hand tied behind his back.
lol... the dude plays with wade and lebron.... duh.
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It's not a debate? Ask every GM in the league who is the better player and I bet you won't get a consensus.



Well, my mistake then. I thought this was a message board, a place where we discuss things. I think Andrea is better than Bosh, you think Bosh is better than Andrea. You voiced you're opinion, I voiced mine. Gotta love those freedom of speech laws, huh?
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I'm not saying he's better than Bosh, yet.
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I think Andrea is better than Bosh, you think Bosh is better than Andrea. You voiced you're opinion, I voiced mine.
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It's not a debate? Ask every GM in the league who is the better player and I bet you won't get a consensus.



Well, my mistake then. I thought this was a message board, a place where we discuss things. I think Andrea is better than Bosh, you think Bosh is better than Andrea. You voiced you're opinion, I voiced mine. Gotta love those freedom of speech laws, huh?
Not sure if you realized it, but you just contradicted yourself AGAIN.

Edit: panda beat me to it. Hate typing on phones!
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