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Chris Bosh 58 76.32%
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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if Bargs keeps this up he'll be an alstar for certain.

1: Stern still runs the show and its better for the game if a player makes the allstar team from up north.

2. being available to play center opens it up for him alot in the east, right now who is better than him, as of right now, in the east at that position besides dwight. Hawes? Bogut? Chandler?

Again keeping the hypotetical that everything stays the same between now and Allstar as DK said, Bargs is in the top 10ppg in the league-something the allstar game likes is scoring- and has All of Bargs offensive categories higher than Dirks.
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:36 PM   #42 (permalink)
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hahahaha! Love it that you're using my line! We've come so far Panda!!!!



I actually think it is reasonably close. I think Bosh is a poor defender too, but a far superior rebounder. He is quicker, but lacks size. He labours on offence but definitely gets many more open looks in Miami. If Bargnani had the space and time that LBJ and Wade provide..... look out. Two of the top 5 players in the league? It's actually really wild that Miami has those two guys. Sucks for Bosh if he truly wanted to be considered a key part of the big 3... he's just not on their level. Everybody knows this.

Is Bosh better? Sure. But it's very close and maybe not true if Bargnani continues to grow, which he has each year he's been in the league. Maybe Bosh can begin to play D... but I think he's more of a stat guy than a team guy.
lol we indeed have come along way.
i agree that Bosh is more of a stat guy but in the end we're still talking about a perennial all star vs a guy who is known to play his best ball in the early parts of the season and fizzles out as the season goes along
i don't see how his start this year was any different than previous years. he's always started off well and got the fan base excited like this is finally the year! we'll see how he does during the mid season grind
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lol then you should have named the thread "who would you rather have" or "who's a better fit for this team" not "who is the better player" and then start arguing about something else....
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Now, my question to you is, who is the better player? That includes being the better "go-to-guy" and being the all-around better player.
It's a question that involves a wide range of categories. I could create a thread for every little category, or I could just put it in this one, which would make more sense.

And wouldn't "Who would you rather have" or "Who's the better fit for this team" be the same as who is the better player? Why wouldn't you take the better player? Why would you choose the lesser player to play for our team?
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What a hoot if Bargnani was forced to accept anything other than his natural position as an All Star.
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How can anyone look at the playoffs from last season, and suggest Bosh wasn't playing defense? That's a remarkable assertion. As is the idea that Bargnani continued to improve last season. If anything he regressed.
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And wouldn't "Who would you rather have" or "Who's the better fit for this team" be the same as who is the better player?
no, its not the same
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something tells me this won't be the "final" debate.
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:46 PM   #48 (permalink)
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no, its not the same
So you wouldn't rather have Bosh? Even though you claim that he's the better player and "it's not close"? I don't understand.

Bosh isn't the better fit for this team? But he's the better player, surely he'd be a better fit that some slouch that eats Primo pasta before games.

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Hey - that Primo is essential. Andrea has to be ready for anything. ANYTHING!!!!
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So you wouldn't rather have Bosh? Even though you claim that he's the better player and "it's not close"? I don't understand.

Bosh isn't the better fit for this team? But he's the better player, surely he'd be a better fit that some slouch that eats Primo pasta before games.
would you switch kobe for bargnani? i'm picking kobe as an example because its obvious who's the better player. (even tho is also obvious Bosh is better than bargs, but i'm not taking any chances with you)

kobe has 2-3 years left in him and is being paid elite money. Bargnani is entering his prime and making 9 mill. we aren't winning a championship with kobe and we would still be a mediocre team with him. so who would you rather have?
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Since Chris don't talk...and Bargs isn't a little crying bitch, I'll pick AB.
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would you switch kobe for bargnani? i'm picking kobe as an example because its obvious who's the better player. (even tho is also obvious Bosh is better than bargs, but i'm not taking any chances with you)

kobe has 2-3 years left in him and is being paid elite money. Bargnani is entering his prime and making 9 mill. we aren't winning a championship with kobe and we would still be a mediocre team with him. so who would you rather have?
Comparing Kobe to Andrea is silly. I know you're using it hypothetically, but c'mon. At least Bosh and Andrea are comparable.

The difference between Kobe and Bosh is that Bosh has a lot more than 2-3 years left in him, so if you were to choose Bosh you'd have him for about the same amount of time you'd have Andrea since AB is only 1 year younger. But you wouldn't choose Bosh, even though he it's so obvious he's the better player? Interesting.

And it's not obvious that Bosh is better than Andrea. Look at the poll, there are people who disagree with your assumption.
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Comparing Kobe to Andrea is silly. I know you're using it hypothetically, but c'mon. At least Bosh and Andrea are comparable.

The difference between Kobe and Bosh is that Bosh has a lot more than 2-3 years left in him, so if you were to choose Bosh you'd have him for about the same amount of time you'd have Andrea since AB is only 1 year younger. But you wouldn't choose Bosh, even though he it's so obvious he's the better player? Interesting.

And it's not obvious that Bosh is better than Andrea. Look at the poll, there are people who disagree with your assumption.
put the same poll on a neutral website and then look at the results......come on man

and my example was only to prove to you that "who would you rather have" is not the same as "who is the better player". it has nothing to do with the fact that i used kobe as an example
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put the same poll on a neutral website and then look at the results......come on man

and my example was only to prove to you that "who would you rather have" is not the same as "who is the better player". it has nothing to do with the fact that i used kobe as an example
A neutral website would not be aware of the steps Andrea has taken so far this season. The Raptors aren't on ESPN or TNT, we don't get any PR up here from our friends in the South.

You used Kobe to say that he only has 2-3 years left and is making 20 mill, while Andrea has many years left and only makes 9 mill. Yup, Kobe is the better player, but you'd take Andrea based on Kobe's age and his contract. How is that the same as comparing Bosh and Bargnani? CB is only a year older than Andrea, why would you take Andrea over Bosh?
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A neutral website would not be aware of the steps Andrea has taken so far this season. The Raptors aren't on ESPN or TNT, we don't get any PR up here from our friends in the South.

You used Kobe to say that he only has 2-3 years left and is making 20 mill, while Andrea has many years left and only makes 9 mill. Yup, Kobe is the better player, but you'd take Andrea based on Kobe's age and his contract. How is that the same as comparing Bosh and Bargnani? CB is only a year older than Andrea, why would you take Andrea over Bosh?
stop creating ur own arguements. stick to this:

"who is the better player" doesn't equal "who would you rather have"

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And wouldn't "Who would you rather have" or "Who's the better fit for this team" be the same as who is the better player? Why wouldn't you take the better player? Why would you choose the lesser player to play for our team?
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Yup, Kobe is the better player, but you'd take Andrea based on Kobe's age and his contract.
there, you contradicted urself

then once you realize those two statements aren't equal. what you've been arguing this whole time is you would rather have Bargnani when you named the poll, who is the better player.
get it?

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A neutral website would not be aware of the steps Andrea has taken so far this season. The Raptors aren't on ESPN or TNT, we don't get any PR up here from our friends in the South.

You used Kobe to say that he only has 2-3 years left and is making 20 mill, while Andrea has many years left and only makes 9 mill. Yup, Kobe is the better player, but you'd take Andrea based on Kobe's age and his contract. How is that the same as comparing Bosh and Bargnani? CB is only a year older than Andrea, why would you take Andrea over Bosh?


Cause Bosh is slow to react on the offensive end and is limited offensively when compared to AB. The ball just didn't flow well when he played for the Raps, at least with AB he has the ability to pass and keep the offence flowing. Time will tell though - and the more he improves that contract he signed with the Raps is golden.
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stop creating ur own arguements. stick to this:

"who is the better player" doesn't equal "who would you rather have"





there, you contradicted urself

then once you realize those two statements aren't equal. what you've been arguing this whole time is you would rather have Bargnani when you named the poll, who is the better player.
get it?
I'm not stupid, panda. I'm aware that Bargnani would be a better fit than Kobe for the Raps, even though Kobe is the better player. I get what you're saying. But forget Kobe, we aren't talking about him. He doesn't even play the same position as Andrea. Tim Duncan would be a better comparison for your example.

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"who is the better player" doesn't equal "who would you rather have"
Is this what you've been arguing about? Seriously? I don't think we're on the same page here. I'm trying to relate this back to the topic at hand. You said Bosh is obviously the better player, yet you think he wouldn't be the better fit for this team. Andrea and Bosh have similar play-styles, and are almost the same age. Why is it that you would pick Andrea over Bosh if Bosh is the better player?
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How can anyone look at the playoffs from last season, and suggest Bosh wasn't playing defense? That's a remarkable assertion. As is the idea that Bargnani continued to improve last season. If anything he regressed.
the sad part is that Bosh was fairly good defensively last season, not so much when he was playing for us, especially the last 2 years or so. Of course, his worst defensive year was still better than andrea's best, but that's not saying much if at all.
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i no that this is coming out of nowhere but who should we draft. i think that we should either draft anthony davis or perry jones for a couple of reasons. first of all they could both play sf. second they are both really tall. thirdly because jonas can cover center, andrea can cover pf and perry and anthony can cover sf. they can both make up for rebounding. offensively, anthony/perry can switch to pf and andrea can switch to sf (which would give him a huge height advantage) so that he won't have to worry about rebounding since anthony is a natural rebounder and perry has the natural gifts to succeed in pf. what do you think?
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this what you've been arguing about? Seriously? I don't think we're on the same page here. I'm trying to relate this back to the topic at hand. You said Bosh is obviously the better player, yet you think he wouldn't be the better fit for this team. Andrea and Bosh have similar play-styles, and are almost the same age. Why is it that you would pick Andrea over Bosh if Bosh is the better player?
lol, how is that the argument at hand. ur poll is asking who is the better player. simple question. and its bosh. and ur going on and on about all this other irrelevant stuff. throw out all the other stuff. money, style of play, attitude, etc etc. in a vaccum, who is the better player? because thats all you asked.

even tho ur last question is irrelevant, i'll answer it anyways. Bosh is making franchise money. with Bosh we're a mediocre team. with Bargnani we're a mediocre team. having Bosh would hinder our rebuild. having Bargnani doesn't. so i would rather have bargnani. but this thread is only asking who is the better player
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