Chisolm: Raptors should chase Collison
Old 06-15-2010, 03:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Raptors NEED to acquire Darren Collison.

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While maybe his 12.4-points and 5.7-assists per-game overall last year weren't especially eye-opening, his 18.8-points and 9.1-assists per-game as a starter were. Especially since, due to injuries to regular starter Chris Paul, he actually started 37 games for the Hornets last season, nearly half of the season, making the sample size significantly more relevant than had he simply blown up the last weeks of the season (*cough*JrueHoliday*cough*). As a starter, he shot 49% from the field, 43% from behind the arc, and had better overall averages than the highly-touted Stephen Curry (17.9ppg, 6.1apg, .461 FG%, .436% 3PFG) and Brandon Jennings (17.1ppg, 6.3apg, .371 FG%, .374 3PFG%). This is a guy that had fourteen 10+ assist games last season (which is eight more than Derrick Rose had), including one 18 assist game and one 20 assist game. He scored over 30-points twice, and over 20-points sixteen times (two more than Rajon Rondo). Keep in mind, too, that those outbursts occurred despite him coming off of the bench for 39 games on a pretty bad NOLA squad. He even had a triple-double (18-12-13) back on February 19 against Indiana. Not too shabby.
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Which brings us to the crazy confluence of circumstances that make Collison (potentially) available. The Hornets are a cash-poor team that is staring down a roster that costs in excess of $70-million as it stands today (which would make New Orleans a luxury tax-paying team). They have several onerous contracts that they would love to shed to help get under that tax threshold (Emeka Okafor, James Posey, Peja Stojakovic), and they know that they are going to have to sweeten the pot to get another team to bite on a deal possessed by one of those players. Under normal circumstances, no team would give up a point guard with as much promise as Collision simply to sweeten a trade, but since the Hornets are already deeply invested in Chris Paul, one of the best-of-the-best at the position, the Hornets may just be amenable to such a scenario. According to ESPN's Marc Stein, in fact, league GMs are being told precisely that if you're willing to take on one of their big salaries, Collison could be your thank you gift.

Now, many teams would love to get their hands on Collision, but few are excited by the prospect of eroding their cap space significantly to get him. The Raptors, however, are in a unique position to not only meet New Orleans demands for Collison in one of several ways, they could actually make use of one of those wonky contracts: Okafor.

The first possible scenario is the simplest if all New Orleans wants is to shave salaries: Toronto trades three expiring deals (Marco Belinelli, Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks) and takes back Collision and Okafor - who has another four-years and $52-million left on his contract. The Hornets immediately shed $1-million in the transaction, and could arrange buyouts with Evans and Banks that could possibly get them under the tax threshold immediately (depending on what New Orleans does with their draft pick and mid-level exception this summer). The Raptors, in serious danger of losing Bosh this summer, get a starting centre in the deal that plays great post defense, rebounds, and allows Andrea Bargnani to be a finesse big man at the power forward position - the spot GM Bryan Colangelo wants him to play at should Bosh leave this summer - in addition to a great, cheap starting point guard.
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If New Orleans balks at the lack of talent that they are receiving in the deal, then the Raptors could remove Belinelli from the deal and stick DeMar DeRozan in, instead. Essentially swapping one borderline starter for two quality starters negates Toronto's loss of last year's lottery pick. In fact, to that end, if the Hornets wanted keep Belinelli in the deal for monetary purposes (he makes less than DeRozan and expires at seasons' end) and instead wanted the Raptors pick in this draft, the Raptors should absolutely do that configuration, too. After all, the Raptors are targeting centres and point guards in this year's draft anyway, and if they can shed a collection of marginal players and a single pick for Okafor (centre) and Collison (point guard), that's a win for Toronto. Especially if they buy a late first-round pick, anyway, to satisfy the draft die-hards that froth at the mouth whenever Colangelo offers up one of Toronto's picks in a larger trade.

The Hornets, though, may be unmoved by expiring deals, and might instead be compelled to push Collison and Okafor onto a team with enough free cap space to absorb them outright, clearing the salaries off of their burdened books immediately. If that's the case, then the Raptors could look to negotiate a massive Traded Player Exception in a deal for Bosh (instead of a bushel of matching salaries) and simply absorb the salaries that way (along those same lines, the Raptors, Hornets and a cap team could look to orchestrate a complicated three-way deal that nets a similar result in the end). It may not be as desirable a result for Toronto since the previous options gave Toronto the option to be more open-minded about what they took back in return for Bosh positionally (being able to simply take back the best talent available to them from Bosh's new team), but at the end of the day they'd still have those three expiring deals to pawn off, if they wanted, later in the summer.

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Old 06-15-2010, 04:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Just got collison in NBA 2k10. Not working out right now. And considering I'm 99% sure that anything that happens in NBA 2k10 WILL happen in real life, I say we don't get collison, but do a trade I was offered (but rejected): Hedo Turkoglu for Evan Turner. Yes, the Bucks offered me Evan Turner. I rejected it because I already had DeMar...nah it was just too lopsided.

But seriously, Collison is a decent option, but taking Okafor? Especially if we keep Bosh that wouldn't be wise. Just another Turk-o-fat contract.
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Old 06-15-2010, 08:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
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collisons stats show he can distribute and still put up 20 if he needed to, now when he's on the floor thornton can go off because he has a scoring threat PG and can give marcus easy buckets with ease as the defense focus on darren, now thornton is a less athletic and less offensively talented guard, imagine if he was paired with weems and derozan? holy crap we are looking at a top tier backcourts of the future, emeka and Bargnani may be problematic for us for the frontcourt position but if this trade goes down and we keep our #13 then we can draft whiteside.

Collison
Derozan
Weems
Bargnani
Whiteside/Okafor

give this team 1.5 seasons and we're going to see results very fast
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Collison would be a great add to this team ... could become the stud PG that we need.
Jose and JJ will never be able to make the grade.
Okafor scares the crap out of me ... is there a 3 way deal possible?
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collisons stats show he can distribute and still put up 20 if he needed to, now when he's on the floor thornton can go off because he has a scoring threat PG and can give marcus easy buckets with ease as the defense focus on darren, now thornton is a less athletic and less offensively talented guard, imagine if he was paired with weems and derozan? holy crap we are looking at a top tier backcourts of the future, emeka and Bargnani may be problematic for us for the frontcourt position but if this trade goes down and we keep our #13 then we can draft whiteside.

Collison
Derozan
Weems
Bargnani
Whiteside/Okafor

give this team 1.5 seasons and we're going to see results very fast
Weems is a SG and that line up would get physically manhandled with all those soft/week players
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Weems is a SG and that line up would get physically manhandled with all those soft/week players
just replace turkoglu with weems or if we get nocioni
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Darren Collison :facepalm:

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Why are you face palming Darren Collison?
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Darren Collison :facepalm:

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Beli, Evans and Banks for Collison and Okafor???!!!

omg man... i dono how BC doesnt take that trade. i understand that Okafor's contract is, for lack of a better word, fucked, but man how could we pass that up??? especially if Bosh leaves?

lets say he goes to NY, we get Lee and a pick back and all of a sudden we have 3 solid big men (altho our defense is still not really addressed...)

i say if this deals actually in play, and BC has other stuff up his sleeve to address defense, i'd do it.
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collisons stats show he can distribute and still put up 20 if he needed to, now when he's on the floor thornton can go off because he has a scoring threat PG and can give marcus easy buckets with ease as the defense focus on darren, now thornton is a less athletic and less offensively talented guard, imagine if he was paired with weems and derozan? holy crap we are looking at a top tier backcourts of the future, emeka and Bargnani may be problematic for us for the frontcourt position but if this trade goes down and we keep our #13 then we can draft whiteside.

Collison
Derozan
Weems
Bargnani
Whiteside/Okafor

give this team 1.5 seasons and we're going to see results very fast
I agree with you.

PLUS this lineup is assuming we dont get anything back for Bosh...
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I wouldn't touch that deal. No way. 2 expirings for an undersized centre with a bloated contract, all to get Collison? That's not a sound deal.
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I wouldn't touch that deal. No way. 2 expirings for an undersized centre with a bloated contract, all to get Collison? That's not a sound deal.
That's so worth it. Collison as stud, and Okafor will be making half what Bosh makes while doing dirty work while Bargnani gets most of the offensive touches.

But they key is we get Collison.....
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Or...we could draft Avery Bradley, get a better athlete, and a superior defender than Collison and not have to eat Okafor's contract.
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That's so worth it. Collison as stud, and Okafor will be making half what Bosh makes while doing dirty work while Bargnani gets most of the offensive touches.

But they key is we get Collison.....
+1... here is a thought, let's get complimentary players... lol
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That's so worth it. Collison as stud, and Okafor will be making half what Bosh makes while doing dirty work while Bargnani gets most of the offensive touches.

But they key is we get Collison.....
I'd rather have TJ Ford than Collison. That's what I think of Collison. He's smallish and turns the ball over quite often. For every 8 assists he gets, he turns the ball over 4-5 times. That's not a really good ratio. I don't understand the infatuation with him.

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Or...we could draft Avery Bradley, get a better athlete, and a superior defender than Collison and not have to eat Okafor's contract.
Bradley and Collison in the backcourt? That's quite undersized.
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Bradley and Collison in the backcourt? That's quite undersized.
you misread that.
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Or...we could draft Avery Bradley, get a better athlete, and a superior defender than Collison and not have to eat Okafor's contract.
My bad, misinterpreted what you were saying. I'm with you, I'd rather Bradley than Collison.
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