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LX 03-30-2011 07:46 AM

CHISHOLM: Would D'Antoni Fit Here?
 
Chisholm pits the Moustache against Mr Poopy Pants in a steel cage match. Well kinda. - TSN

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Keep in mind, this club desperately needs to develop its youth, but D'Antoni has a very shaky record with allowing youth to develop on the court (Jordan Hill and Anthony Randolph are two recent examples). Can anyone safely say, for instance, that D'Antoni would have gifted James Johnson with an immediate starting spot upon his arrival, especially considering his shaky jump shot and over-eager play? Johnson's been a (moderate) revelation late in the season for Toronto, a rare bright spot in 2011, but that has as much to do with Triano's patience with him on the court as it has to do with Johnson's ability to play mistake-free basketball. After watching several Knicks get frozen out of playing time over the last three years, it's hard to predict what kind of fate Johnson (or Ed Davis or Amir Johnson) would have had to contend with had D'Antoni been running the show when they arrived in Toronto. It's not that he would have stifled their development for certain, it's that having to wonder if he would have is reason enough to at least wonder about D'Antoni's suitability for the job in Toronto.

There is also the fact that the Raptors desperately need some defensive discipline, but D'Antoni has never had a club finish in the top half of the league in terms of defensive efficiency in his career. Most accounts insist, in fact, that he's indifferent at best to preaching the benefits of defence, preferring instead to emphasize his infamous offensive system as the key to winning in the NBA. While Triano hasn't exactly managed to squeeze much defence out of his troops during his time as head coach, either, would giving D'Antoni triple what Triano earns annually really ensure any better results on the defensive end?

At the end of the day the question becomes one of appropriateness. No one is saying that D'Antoni is a categorically bad coach - that would be an unsupportable position to take given his past success in Phoenix - but perhaps he would be an inappropriate choice for another rebuilding project if he's let go from the Knicks. Triano has done a credible job these last two years developing young players like DeMar DeRozan, Amir Johnson, and Ed Davis, and he's done a remarkable job keeping the team cohesive in the face of a LOT of losing this season.

Are there better coaches out there than Triano? Of course there are. However, given where the Raptors are today, and given what D'Antoni has done over the last two years trying to help rebuild the Knicks, perhaps the fit simply isn't there, at least not enough to warrant easing Triano out to make room for Colangelo's former coach. The question of whether or not Triano has done enough to keep his job for another year will be re-visited at the end of the season, but for now let's say that if it's a choice between him or D'Antoni, the Raptors may be wise to stick with the unpopular choice.

jeffb 03-30-2011 08:08 AM

He'd be an upgrade but not by a whole lot.

archie63 03-30-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 524998)
He'd be an upgrade but not by a whole lot.

Agree.

LX 03-30-2011 08:21 AM

how so? Or is that too much to ask?

jeffb 03-30-2011 08:24 AM

We'd still be all offense, no defense. D'antoni is a better offensive coach but no better at the defensive end. He has more experience, has had success in the playoffs which imo makes him an upgrade but we need a coach that can teach defense.

LX 03-30-2011 08:26 AM

Looking at success in the playoffs doesn't seem like the right criteria for this team, does it? How about Chisholm's point about the development of young players?

jeffb 03-30-2011 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 525004)
Looking at success in the playoffs doesn't seem like the right criteria for this team, does it? How about Chisholm's point about the development of young players?

Considering we want to be in the playoffs in the not too distant future I would say yes. I don't want to make the playoffs in two years and have Triano as coach. As for development, sure a couple of our young players have improved (imo, Derozan is more on him and his work last summer with the trainers), others have regressed. But D'antoni has also helped players develop. Players like fields, Chandler, Galinari have thrived under him.

Alex 03-30-2011 08:58 AM

Success in the playoffs means squat if we are not going to be there in the next 6 years.

jeffb 03-30-2011 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 525011)
Success in the playoffs means squat if we are not going to be there in the next 6 years.

If that's the case then I agree. Lol

archie63 03-30-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 525001)
how so? Or is that too much to ask?

Because I think he's not a coach that can adapt his game to the players he's got, but he's allways trying to previlege his sistem over the players and this not allways works. Besides for what i get, raptors fans are defense first fans, and for sure D'antoni is not a defense first coach. I'm sure Mike (D'antoni) has a great Bball knowledge and experience just don't think is the right coach here.
On a side note I like D'antoni , but what i find strange is the fact that when he was a player in europe he was a great defensive player and a great team_first pg, and at the beginning of his career as a coach in europe he was a defensive minded coach, then going to the NBA he got rid of his preavious stance.

Shifty.py 03-30-2011 10:03 AM

Forget JJ, I bet he wouldn't start Derozan either

b55bgc 03-30-2011 10:11 AM

Why would D'antoni come to toronto?
He is on a winning team now.

cloudnine 03-30-2011 01:26 PM

Look at the team D'Antoni has now. They have two of the best offensive players in the league. They're still an under-.500 team. Cohesiveness aside (they've been together for only a few weeks), do you really think that D'Antoni's system would be some kind of upgrade to an already offensively fine and defensively awful squad?

His system only worked in Phoenix because he had the second best pick and roll duo in NBA history behind Malone and Stockton and fantastic corner three shooters. It would be a disaster here. Who's our Nash? Our Amare? May I remind you we are LEAGUE WORST in three point shooting?

Triano isn't COTY but D'Antoni would be apocalyptically bad for our team. Christ, even with the ideal personnel they couldn't make it to the Finals.

komot 03-30-2011 01:59 PM

i'd love to see adelman.:cookie:

Admiral 03-30-2011 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by b55bgc (Post 525022)
Why would D'antoni come to toronto?
He is on a winning team now.

because the knicks may not want to keep him

he's not good enough of an overall coach to significantly affect this team in a positive way, i say pass

his game plan is mainly offensive but relies heavily on a PG that dominates the ball and creates by reading the defense rather than running set plays (STEVE NASH), which is why the knicks aren't that successfully right now
we don't have a PG for that

thought 03-30-2011 05:52 PM

we won't need a coach if we draft kemba walker

Scully 03-30-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thought (Post 525137)
we won't need a coach if we draft kemba walker

yeah will need parking spots for all these band wagons.

MISAM38 03-30-2011 07:00 PM

Fuck D'antoni. That guy is a Triano clone. NO DEFENSE! That guy is like McCain, more of the same!

Don Vito 03-30-2011 10:02 PM

Lol @ people not wanting D'Antoni on this team. With this young group it would thrive in his system, if we draft Kemba Walker we'd thrive even more.

jeffb 03-30-2011 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 525214)
Lol @ people not wanting D'Antoni on this team. With this young group it would thrive in his system, if we draft Kemba Walker we'd thrive even more.

and still play absolutely no defense. no thanks


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