Chisholm: Time to trade Calderon?
Old 12-21-2009, 06:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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First of all, he wouldn't be an insurance policy against an injury-prone starter like T.J. Ford, anymore. Jarrett Jack has proven to be one of the most physically dependable guards in the NBA, having never failed to play in less than 79 games in a season and having played all 82 games in the last two years. Having a high-priced backup for an injury-prone starter (like Jack is for Calderon) makes sense, but having a high-priced backup for a durable starter makes less sense.
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Secondly, Jose isn't making $2.5-million like he was the last time he was a backup. This season he's going to take home $8.2-million, making him the 11th highest paid point guard in the NBA. That puts him into the class of Mo Williams, Devin Harris and Jameer Nelson, which is a salary stratum not befitting a backup. Now, one could argue that because Jack is only being paid $4.5-million the Raptors could absorb Jose's high contract off of the bench, and I'm not arguing otherwise, per se, I'm just saying that having such a high-priced asset on the bench seems wasteful for a team still searching for a way above .500.
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Lastly, Calderon plays a position that always has value. Some will say his value around the league has been reduced since he was a trendy backup two years ago, and that may be the case, but there are still teams that would put together compelling offers to make him one of theirs. It isn't that Bryan Colangelo should head out like a traveling salesmen pitching his wares, but this arrangement could offer him some flexibility to improve the team once he has a grip on where he could best use a talent infusion.

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Old 12-21-2009, 06:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think its premature. Our team d has improved however its not because of Jack. Our support at the 2,3,4,and 5 spot has been better. We are more on the same page. If you watched last nights game Paul on one good leg was still able to beat our pg's. The differance was our support. Our bigs were in position to block or alter Pauls shots. We are very inconsistant with or without Jose playing on d. I love to see Jose go to the Knicks as they are my 2nd favourite team.
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Jose is a better player.

Jack is not a better defender as was touted.

Jack is more durable though.

I guess it would depend upon the returning package.











And if Bosh is moved then Jose will probably be a part of the package.
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't think so. I like Jose starting more then I like Jack starting. I say we should give it some time. Let Jose come back and work his way back into his full form then see how we do as a team. If we were better with Jack then Jose, then I would say it's time to trade him away
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't think you can trade the guy. His got to get back on the court. His worth is in the basement until he proves he is mobile.
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:44 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm hopeful Jose can get his health on track. If so, i wouldn't be looking to trade him. Him and Jack make an awesome PG tandem. (and Banks is showing to be the perfect 3rd pg really).
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Wow.

So let me get this straight....

The media, and the fan base on this site are all so fickle that they would ship out their starting point guard because of a two game streak against bottom feeders in the NBA.

Thats effin rich.

1. If Calderon is to be traded, with his salary he was to be healthy, because nobody is EVER gonna take a pG not known for defense AFTER he has sustained a career changing injury. Nobody.

2. If Calderon is not permanently hurt, and is just a victim of terrible luck ie. Guy has a terrible tear in his Hammy for a year therefore experiences atrophy in connected muscle groups so when he comes back, ends up tearing a tendon in his hip, but you now have another few months of rehab to get him back to full power, WHICH he has already proved many times, is a place that puts him with elite PG's in the NBA, you all want to run out and trade him because his back up is doing what good back ups do, filling in sufficiently. This is your solution.


This is why you are not GM's.

Period.

Calderon is your starting PG. He's better than Jack when healthy, and unless you all know something nobody in the organization knows, he'll get better again. If he isn't gonna get better, nobody will take him.

Thats what you got.
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I'm hopeful Jose can get his health on track. If so, i wouldn't be looking to trade him. Him and Jack make an awesome PG tandem. (and Banks is showing to be the perfect 3rd pg really).
From what I've seen from Banks, he gets better with court time, and is the best perimeter defender of the lot.... Nice surprise.
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Old 12-21-2009, 08:03 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I really hope Jose comes back from this injury as the backup, and hopefully he embraces that role like he once did. There is no reason he couldn`t be one of the best backup pgs in the league, and still finish some games.
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they'd likely have to package him with Bosh IMO..and I don't see that happening until the wheels really begin to come off..
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Old 12-21-2009, 08:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Jose Calderon’s salary of $8,219,000 is in line with other veteran starting point guards in the NBA, they average just over $8,600,000. And, his $334,000 cost per stat was also about average.
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Toronto Raptors: Jose Calderon

Jose would be a coveted PG if he were to come onto the market and the Raps could easily get full value for him. But besides a quality back-up PG and SF - what would the Raptors be looking for?

Seems they'd be better off to keep Jose and continue to use Weems for now.
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Old 12-21-2009, 08:36 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Whether we trade Jose is a mute point.
But basically Toronto has made good moves on the trading front before this season and I believe will continue to make good trades look at what we got this year verus what we lost.

Marion lost 12.1pts 6.5rb ast 1.5 got Hedo 14pts 4.7rbs 4.2ast a wash but because of Hedo trade we got Jack 9.4pts 2.5rbs 4.5ast Plus Raptors

Kapono 5.6pts 1.0 rb .5 assist got Evans.....Zero but if Evans comes back a plus Raptors

Other old Raptors Parker 7.3pt 2.6rb 1.7ast replaced by De Roozen 7.7pts 3.2rbs .7 ast definitely plus for Raptors DD has upside Parker doesn't

Delfino 9.7pts, 4.4rbs & 2.4 assists Ukie 3.1pts .2rb .9 ast we got Amir 5.3pts 5.1rbs .5 ast & Weems 5.4pts 1.6 rbs 1.3 ast you must realize we would have got zero for Delfino so great trade

Moon 5.5pts 4.0rbs .5ast & Graham 3.4pts 1.3rbs & .2 ast
Other new Raptors Nest. 4.2pts 2.2rbs .5ast & Wright 4.7pts 2.1rb 1.0ast & Belinni 7.8pts 1.4rb 1.5ast

If you compare Old Raptors 46.7pts a game 20 rbs 7.7 asts
New Raptors 58.5pts 22.8rbs 14asts

Also we have got zero from Evans
BC has made us a better team..........if he trades anyone he will get good value to improve us.

Sorry haters those are the facts

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This is a joke, it's as if people think that Calderon purposely gets injured. In all honesty we get our asses kicked by team with and without Jose because no one plays defence. Maybe if Jay Triano would have thrown out Mitchell's defencive and offensive playbook we might look the way we should, but until then it's going to be a long season. Calderon stays, People forget that when he isn't injured he plays all star calibre basketball. Now it's time for the rest of the team to produce.
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short memories and fickleness are signs that we are all really huge Toronto Raptor fans
We all just want whats best, but it's impossible for us to know what will be best.

Lets cut ourselves some slack

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Toronto Raptors: Jose Calderon

Jose would be a coveted PG if he were to come onto the market and the Raps could easily get full value for him. But besides a quality back-up PG and SF - what would the Raptors be looking for?

Seems they'd be better off to keep Jose and continue to use Weems for now.
You really think so man?..IMO He has very little value when you consider his contract, nagging injuries and lack of D..I believe he has to be packaged with Bosh for a team to accept him
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It's still bit early.... but I'd be fielding some offers if Banks continues his strong play over the next 4-5 games. If nothing else I really like his D.

Jose will have value... even with his contract. The guy can flat-out run a team... period.

With Hedo here it gives us room to be creative.. we don't NEED Jose as much as we did before with the ballhandlers that we have on this roster right now.

Id' be sad to see him go but if he netted us a solid C or swingman I'd pull the trigger.
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You really think so man?..IMO He has very little value when you consider his contract, nagging injuries and lack of D..I believe he has to be packaged with Bosh for a team to accept him
Hahhhhh, another one?

Boy according to many here every contract is untradeable and nobody wants anyone except Bosh. lol


Jose is a good PG making league average for a stating PG who's top 5 in assists (two prev. seasons), #1 in TO's, and can shoot as well as he does. Plus his salarie is reasonable (as i stated in the first line). Add to that, he's only missed 26 games in the last 4 seasons(including this season). Yeah his defense is pretty bad, but there aren't too many lock down defenders in the NBA anyway. He has a good reputation in the league. Anyone that thinks a healthy Calderon can't be traded is being a negative nancy, which is the usual for a Toronto sports fan.
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