Chisholm: Rebuilding the Raptors isn't pretty
Old 01-26-2011, 06:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Raptors are jettisoning veteran players like Jarrett Jack and Peja Stojakovic, taking flyers on young, cheap prospects like Jerryd Bayless, Joey Dorsey, Julian Wright and Alexis Ajinca. They are forcing young prospects like Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis and Amir Johnson to play through their mistakes, hoping that it will accelerate their development. They are shedding salary owed to players like Turkoglu and Jack in an attempt to clear their major cap obligations over the next year or two. They are attempting to turn their assets and bargaining chips into draft picks, while also hoping that their own first-round pick this year reaches maximum value. When you do all of these things, though, how the Raptors have been playing is what results, and you can expect more of the same until at least April.

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The club has been savvy about grabbing young guys like Bayless, Wright and Dorsey, each of whom have shown flashes and have given the team some options going forward. Outside of the roster, the team could wind up shedding as much as $30-million off of their cap at the end of the season, and while no one knows how the new CBA will affect how much of that will be spendable, the team is in a much better place than most to maneuver any upcoming changes. Currently the Raptors do not employ a single player that makes eight-figures this year or next year, and only Andrea Bargnani represents a contract that is worth more than $30-million guaranteed over its lifetime. Plus, young staples like DeRozan and Davis are still years away from having a potentially lucrative extension bargained for and kick-in, so the Raptors have some time to spend their money wisely.
Chisholm: Rebuilding the Raptors isn't pretty, but necessary
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I hear complaints that GM Bryan Colangelo doesn't have a plan, and yet ever since Chris Bosh decided to pack his bags and leave, Colangelo has been utterly consistent and on-point about what he plans to do: acquire and develop youth, seek out draft picks and shed salary obligations.
This isn't quite true is it? Does nobody remember Colangelo promising a team that would compete for a playoff spot? How about the gleam he had in his eye when signing Kleiza? And how did the failed attempts to get Barnes or Chandler and Diaw fit in with acquiring youth, seeking out picks and shedding salary?

Anyway - I can accept that this so-called plan alluded to was a fallback position in any case, and I can't say I'm unhappy that he's been put into the position where that is really the only option if he is going to be doing his job properly. For me - I keep coming back to what everything looks like at this time next year. It is going to be interesting, as Chisholm suggests, but it's also a little scary. It's entirely possible that my disappointment will really kick in at that point, as much as I hope not. I wish I could say the man has not disappointed me before, but he has. That's strictly a personal thing, but he has also sold everything he has done in ways that have made it hard to anticipate nothing but goodness and light. And when it comes right down to it, I just don't trust anything this team does under the current ownership, even though they were not supposed to be a part of the picture since Bryan's arrival. He still works for them, and not the other way around.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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This isn't quite true is it? Does nobody remember Colangelo promising a team that would compete for a playoff spot? How about the gleam he had in his eye when signing Kleiza? And how did the failed attempts to get Barnes or Chandler and Diaw fit in with acquiring youth, seeking out picks and shedding salary?
I assume the playoff spot thing was a preseason promise? but i think that all GMs try to hype up and sell their team...thts their job. to put butts in the ACC seats. Does he actually believe this team is a playoff team? I think they could compete for a lower seed if they were healthy...considering how crappy some teams are in the east!

and that failed trade, I think many, would agree would have made our team better than they were with bosh. everyone was very excited about that steal until MJ intervened thanks to ESPN. after that, there wasn't much available. I think the fact htat BC didn't panic and maybe make a later trade to "make up" for it speaks volumes of how "if it was there to make the team better long n short term, do it" but do not "make a trade for the sake of making a trade". sometimes, the best trades are the ones never made and that we never hear about!
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I assume the playoff spot thing was a preseason promise? but i think that all GMs try to hype up and sell their team...thts their job. to put butts in the ACC seats. Does he actually believe this team is a playoff team? I think they could compete for a lower seed if they were healthy...considering how crappy some teams are in the east!

and that failed trade, I think many, would agree would have made our team better than they were with bosh. everyone was very excited about that steal until MJ intervened thanks to ESPN. after that, there wasn't much available. I think the fact htat BC didn't panic and maybe make a later trade to "make up" for it speaks volumes of how "if it was there to make the team better long n short term, do it" but do not "make a trade for the sake of making a trade". sometimes, the best trades are the ones never made and that we never hear about!
Very well said.

I think that the fact that there is never really any negative comments about transactions that BC has made speaks volumes. It is easy to criticize when we look in the rearview mirror, but no one has ever really criticized Colangelo at the time of the trade. He has made mistakes, but I think that when we look at the big picture, Colangelo is a good GM who does exactly as he says. He doesn't make trades because he has to, but because he thinks it will benefit the team in the short and long term plan. Lastly, IMHO, there is no other GM available that is better than Colangelo.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
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He simply was not "utterly consistent and on-point". I also remember him pointing out the TPE and expirings moving forward, as late as two weeks ago. Colangelo is anything but consistent. His skill is in consistently suggesting more than one angle at once. It ends up being in the eye-of-the-beholder like a rorschach test. But it induces cognitive dissonance in me. Which doesn't take much, I know.

Let's look at the last 12 months. A year ago we had a team assembled that could stand on it's own, according to the GM, with or without Chris Bosh. A few months later they were "buyers, not sellers" when it came to upgrading the team. Then we were evolving and were told by Maurizio that Bryan was going be make a ton of moves over the off-season. Bryan's own bravado appeared to be much more about his own personal ambitions than selling seats. He really made it all about him to a large extent and avoided the word rebuild like the plague. Now we hear that we are obviously rebuilding, as though that has been the plan from the beginning. And Bryan finds it "refreshing". The dude seems to have multiple personalities. In fact he does an amazing job of shape-shifting in order to make the best of the situation at any given moment. It's hard not to like what he does at any given time, since he always puts such a good face on it in the moment. That only leaves hindsight, which is a fruitless exercise.

I do not want to lack confidence in him. There is still a part of me that believes he can put something special together. I just need to see it before giving him an automatic pass at this point. And that means I'm not willing to concede that he's following a plan that he's made clear since Bosh left, because that's not the case, and there is every chance that what is made out as the concise plan from the start turns inside-out altogether in a matter of months.

But change ownership, and change the dynamics whereby results become that much more important, and I would guess a lot of the wishy-washy stuff goes away. So, it's much bigger than Bryan in all likelihood.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:47 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Various people will say various things at various times for various purposes. Politicians and GMs come to mind immediately.

Deeds speak, though. Look at what BC actually does.
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Old 01-27-2011, 09:22 AM   #8 (permalink)
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So let me get this straight, we are one of the teams in the best positions beucase of how little we will have on the books next year. How is this a good thing? will we be rewarded for this? Hear me out. What the hell are teams like LA, Boston ect going to do when their current payrolls are 80-90million? What the new CBA will kick in right away and teams will just have to buy out players to land under the cap? There has to be some sort of yearly plan that will allow every team in the NBA to adjust to the new CBA, saying we are ready only means we will get screwed harder in the end. We have $44 million on the books for next year, what if the new cap cap goes from 67 million down to 60, or 58 million, then we have a half a shit roster full of bench players and cant even sign any note worthy free agents beucase we will have 15 million to replace a number of players rather then 20+. If anyone knows how this will work insite would be great.

On another note, I think all this crap about acquiring draft picks is a crock of you know what. How much young talent can one team have? I didn't realize this was the Toronto D-Leagures. Next year we will have at least another 2 first round picks (our high pick and Miamis end of the line 28-30th pick), yet there is no veteran presence on this team, and the most "experienced" player is Bargs.....ya Bargs.... Whats going to happen in 2 years when guys like derozen are coming off their rookie contracts....were gonna get fucked, thats what. I see us developing all this young talent, then slowly losing it for varios reason like contract renewals and more bullshit trades for d-league prospects. This team has more then enough young players on it, its time to start actually assembling a team. If any of you think are first round pick is going to be some crazy, instant impact player your kidding yourself. we are going to get more derozen and davis styles of picks that take 2-3 years to develop (if they develop into anything) and by that point other youngsters like derozen are going to be long gone. Its time to start winning, and the time is now (its been 16 years already of building, how much longer can this actually last....who am i kidding, its never going to end). MLSE has to get this heads out of their ass's and allow this team to spend some money and make some sort of run. I dont care if its a second round run, we are never going to win a championship, and going all or nothing is a joke in terms of going over the lux tax is a joke. ANd we all fall for it......last year, going over the lux tax line would have defiantly made this team a second round playoff team, but no, for some reason we were still not ready to move a head.... im sick of this shit, MLSE and Raptors just already
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Various people will say various things at various times for various purposes. Politicians and GMs come to mind immediately.

Deeds speak, though. Look at what BC actually does.
The deeds don't make everything all that clear either. But there has been less salesmanship and I take that as a good thing with hopefully a better approach at hand. I await the deeds to come for sure.
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I think you guys are putting too much energy in to an unstable commodity, and thats a sports team.

At the end of the day, no matter who you are, you have to have guys that are better then the other guys.

SA wins a lot.
So do the Lakers.

They are massively different.

Toronto has a lot of good young pieces. They might even be great. They have a TPE and a few chips to deal. BC said what he should have, I mean shit coulda went another way and all of a sudden this team is in 4th spot.

it didn't.

But that doesn't mean shit to me really.

does it? I dunno.
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This isn't quite true is it? Does nobody remember Colangelo promising a team that would compete for a playoff spot? How about the gleam he had in his eye when signing Kleiza? And how did the failed attempts to get Barnes or Chandler and Diaw fit in with acquiring youth, seeking out picks and shedding salary?
Totally with ya on the Barnes move.

Kleiza is 25. Not old. *shrugs shoulders*

Diaw's deal had fewer years and a lower cost than Calderon's. Chandler was expiring. Just saying. It kind of fits with shedding salary and creating flexibility.

Anyways, I agree with you that BC was reluctant to IMMEDIATELY go into FULL "rebuild" mode. However, I would qualify that by saying that even when he might have been thinking playoffs, he was pursuing fiscally responsible moves that put the team in a good position moving forward. The one negative could have been finishing 8th-11th in the conference and losing out on a better draft position.
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Indeed, as Bill pointed out, all his moves "for better fitting talent" were also moves "for more future financial flexibility". In other words, he was re-tooling with one eye on re-building, fully aware that such eventuality is highly probable. His moves were prudent and quite clear, no matter what he was telling to the reporters.
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Bargnani's a young prospect?
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Bargnani's a young prospect?
is 25 not young?
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Totally with ya on the Barnes move.

Kleiza is 25. Not old. *shrugs shoulders*

Diaw's deal had fewer years and a lower cost than Calderon's. Chandler was expiring. Just saying. It kind of fits with shedding salary and creating flexibility.

Anyways, I agree with you that BC was reluctant to IMMEDIATELY go into FULL "rebuild" mode. However, I would qualify that by saying that even when he might have been thinking playoffs, he was pursuing fiscally responsible moves that put the team in a good position moving forward. The one negative could have been finishing 8th-11th in the conference and losing out on a better draft position.
Reggie was also expiring, so I think there was a little more to it than just shedding salary. But I can't say the guy isn't prudent. And he is committed to improving. And if Chisholm is right and he is set on a new path for real, then it is certainly a good thing. It's time to look at long term success, and not just putting the team in a good position and hoping for more from there (as much as I've been ok with that approach in the past).
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is 25 not young?
It is, but this is his 5th year. Work in progress I guess, but young prospect seems a little off. He's been a 'pro' for almost 8 years.
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It is, but this is his 5th year. Work in progress I guess, but young prospect seems a little off. He's been a 'pro' for almost 8 years.
let's trade Amir too then... that dude is old balls.
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It is, but this is his 5th year. Work in progress I guess, but young prospect seems a little off. He's been a 'pro' for almost 8 years.
He pretty much HAD to try and build around Bosh. And try he did. Not anymore, though...

edit: never mind, mis-read the post.

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