Chisholm: Raptors should look to make winning trades
Old 11-25-2013, 06:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Over the last few months, Iíve become something of an unintentional advocate for the Toronto Raptors not tanking. While Iím not particularly dogmatic about it (for me itís more about circumstance than ideology), as the season wears on I become increasingly compelled by the idea of trying to turn this team into something more potent today that wonít unduly hamper the clubís future after this season.

There are two areas of dysfunction that I believe are severely holding the Raptors back right now, and that is pick-and-roll play and Rudy Gayís shot selection.
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The first up is Goran Dragic, Phoenixís former point guard of the future before Eric Bledsoe arrived on the scene. Dragic is a skilled pick-and-roll point guard (partly tutored by one of the best to ever do it, Steve Nash) and it is only a matter of time before Phoenix sends him packing since the aforementioned Bledsoe has done enough early to ease any fears that he can be a real NBA starting point guard. He makes $7.5-million this year, next year and in 2015-16. Now, thatís not an onerous salary for a starting point guard (though it is for a secondary point guard, a role he plays in Phoenix), but it does limit oneís overall flexibility somewhat, and that is worth taking into account.

However, heís just now entering his prime (heís 27) and he plays a style that blends much better with Valanciunas, Johnson and even DeMar DeRozan if he can keep hitting that corner three. Itís a shame that his own three-point shot has disappeared from his game, and thatís a real sore point in todayís NBA, but so long as he can punish people with a pull-up in pick-and-roll situations to keep defences honest heíd be a fine asset in a revamped Raptors offence.
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The other player is one that I think the Raptors should make a real push for, and thatís Luol Deng.

Deng is not a crazy exceptional player in any one regard, but he is as steady as a metronome and could really help increase the level of basketball maturity of the Raptors.

He can hit open shots, play noteworthy defence, keep the ball moving on offence and act as the leader that this club still lacks on and off the court.Itís actually that aspect that intrigues me most about Deng. Look at the credit David West is given within the Pacers organization for solidifying their recent resurgence and realize that at some point the Raptors will have to inject a similar level of maturity into their operation. That sort of dependable, veteran savvy from a guy that can still play and play at a high level (remember Deng is only 28, he has lots of basketball left in him) is something that the Raptors havenít had since Antonio Davis was around (most will reflexively think of Charles Oakley, but Oakley was on a definite downward trend when he arrived in Toronto).
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Agreed on both. Would love to see them here
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Agreed on both. Would love to see them here
How could we possibly integrate Deng though? Unless we traded Rudy for him.
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Dragic
Derozan
Deng
Amir
Valanciunas


Not sure that team is any better then what we have now.
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How could we possibly integrate Deng though? Unless we traded Rudy for him.
Yeah, I'd say Lowry and Gay would be shipped out if we brought these two in.

I'd rather cheer for:

Dragic
Derozan
Deng
Johnson
JV

Then what we have now.
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Dragic
Derozan
Deng
Amir
Valanciunas


Not sure that team is any better then what we have now.
I think it'd be for the best. Deng is a slight downgrade offensively from Gay, but is better defensively, passes better and is cheaper.

And it's not like Lowry is a top 10 PG or anything..
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If we take Deng we need to ship Rudy. Dragic is a good PG, don't know if he is better than Lowry. Clearly McHale didn't get along with Lowry and made Dragic the starter PG in HOU. So far he put impresive numbers in PHO though.
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Dragic
Derozan
Deng
Amir
Valanciunas


Not sure that team is any better then what we have now.
Agreed...i think it looks more like tinkering
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If we take Deng we need to ship Rudy. Dragic is a good PG, don't know if he is better than Lowry. Clearly McHale didn't get along with Lowry and made Dragic the starter PG in HOU. So far he put impresive numbers in PHO though.
Dragic was the starter only because KL went down with that infection in the middle of the season and missed 6 weeks . When he came back the team was playing well and so he kept going with it, who wouldn't. And Lowry after that illness was out of game shape. We did the same with Jarrett Jack when Jose went down in the 2009-10 season. It's not exactly making one the starter over another. IMO for that to happen both players would have to be healthy and playing and one would essentially beat the other one out of a job. That being said, I like both players.

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Neither of the guys would really improve the team that much. The treadmill goes on and on...
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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coach goes first.


imagine caseys rotations and plays in a 7 game series

deng+dragic are barely even upgrades

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Old 11-25-2013, 10:52 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I agree, with the recent injury of Rose, and the entire east looking to tank, Raptors can cash in with some serious talent. If raps can somehow get rid of guys like Landry and Rudy, and bring in Deng, Omer Asik, and Dragic, I'm all for it
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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ok, before this goes out of hand, no team looking to tank and unload talent will accept guys like fields, gay or lowry. they will look for picks of any kind and for young talent, so that means ross and JV primarily with maybe amir/demar as secondary targets.

just because a team wants to tank, doesn't mean they are willing to be shafted in trades as well ... This goes back to the root of our problems, we have few assets worth anything on this team outside jv/picks and maybe ross.
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I'd rather have KL than Dragic. Same age, Dragic may help with P+R but on a team like the raps it's good to have players with a good overall game. Deng is much more reliable than RG.
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ok, before this goes out of hand, no team looking to tank and unload talent will accept guys like fields, gay or lowry. they will look for picks of any kind and for young talent, so that means ross and JV primarily with maybe amir/demar as secondary targets.

just because a team wants to tank, doesn't mean they are willing to be shafted in trades as well ... This goes back to the root of our problems, we have few assets worth anything on this team outside jv/picks and maybe ross.
Well said. I do think DD can be an asset as well though depending on the team. If a team is seriously lacking in getting to the line I think he'd be perfect for that squad to add that dimension.
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Dragic would improve our backup PG and be there for inevitable KL injury.
Novak or Ross for Dragic? Gray and Augustin as fillers

Deng I don't want to see at all.
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Dragic would improve our backup PG and be there for inevitable KL injury.
Novak or Ross for Dragic? Gray and Augustin as fillers

Deng I don't want to see at all.
Dragic here would mean no KL
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Is there a rule against it?
Does Phoenix want KL so bad?
Its been mentioned in the thread that changing Lowry for Dragic is tinkering. But having both would improve us a lot. It is what we want, right? To improve?
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I can see deng being moved, he's a ufa next summer
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Is there a rule against it?
Does Phoenix want KL so bad?
Its been mentioned in the thread that changing Lowry for Dragic is tinkering. But having both would improve us a lot. It is what we want, right? To improve?
So you're going to have two starting PGs making 7-10 mil/season? Haven't the raps gone through that situation before? hmm...
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