Chisholm: Raptors need to evaluate coaching options
Old 05-27-2011, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
landry fields forever

Administrator

 
Acie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Living in a van down by the river
Posts: 21,533
Representing:
Arrow Chisholm: Raptors need to evaluate coaching options

Quote:
In all likelihood the Raptors do not have what it would take to lure Adelman to Toronto. At this point in his career he's probably not chomping at the bit to get into bed with a lottery-bound club, especially one without a single All-Star-caliber player on the roster.

He's never coached in a cold-climate city, he's never even coached in the Eastern Conference, and Toronto is nowhere near his offseason home in Portland. Even if the Raptors could pique his interest, it would probably cost them a small fortune to secure his services, and with MLSE up for sale, taking on that kind of salary may not be green-lit by the money guys upstairs.

However, the Raptors have to at least make sure. The organization has a history of hiring first-time head coaches to run their team, and more often than not that has meant losing seasons or quick playoff exits. While hiring on the cheap certainly makes it easier to fire someone, it also tends to lead to cheap results, something Raptor fans have historically been saddled with.

The one time the club splurged on a coach, bringing in the then winningest coach in NBA history Lenny Wilkens, the club had their greatest success on the court (that is until the roster was strip-mined and Wilkens was fired).

Adelman may not be a cure-all for the Raptors, but he would command respectability and accountability and would show players and fans alike that the team is serious about winning. At an organizational level that hasn't happened since the team went hard after Colangelo over five years ago. It's time to get some of that aggressiveness back.

Nothing is likely to come from this delay on Triano's option, of course. With another season fielding an extremely young roster on the horizon, splurging on a big-name coach probably doesn't make a lot of sense to the number-crunchers. This means Triano is virtually assured another year on the job.

Laying down a strong foundation is one of the most important factors in preparing a young team for future success, but the odds that Colangelo is going to be given the financial wherewithal to spend on a coach are not good.

Besides, it isn't like Triano is a bad coach.

I really believe that given a balanced roster that actually possesses a nice blend of old and young, with offensive AND defensive talents, Triano could extract some wins out of the Raptors. There are better options out there, but it isn't like you're going to battle with a buffoon with Triano on the sidelines.

He knows how to coach, his players like and respect him and the organization isn't going to crumble if he's kept on for another season. It's just that so few teams without a transcendent superstar can get by with an inexperienced coach for very long. Triano may be good enough for now, but eventually 'good enough' won't be good enough for the Toronto faithful.

Adelman is one of a rare breed of veteran coaches and guys like that aren't available very often. While getting him probably wouldn't happen, the team owes it to their fans to at least make sure it's because they can't get him here, not because they didn't try.

LINK - TSN.ca
Acie is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2011, 03:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 69,772
Representing:
Default

Quote:
This means Triano is virtually assured another year on the job.

Laying down a strong foundation is one of the most important factors in preparing a young team for future success, but the odds that Colangelo is going to be given the financial wherewithal to spend on a coach are not good.

^ Makes no sense to me at all. Laying down a strong foundation with a coach who's likely gone in a year. Why not lay the foundation with a more experienced coach who will get them to play better defense and be held more accountable. And allow them to grow under him for 3-5yrs and maybe beyond. The sooner that happens the better, in order to undo the bad habits they currently have.


Quote:
Besides, it isn't like Triano is a bad coach.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2011, 03:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,776
Representing:
Default

BC needs a scapegoat. He'll extend Triano for another year. The team will falter and not make the playoffs again maintaining the worst defense in the NBA for the third year straight. Triano will not get extended, Raptors will get a high pick in the loaded 2012 draft, and the Raps will be set with the young nucleus for the future. We need Triano to set us up for the 2012 draft.
RAPMAN is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2011, 05:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 284
Representing:
Default right..

Quote:
Originally Posted by RAPMAN View Post
BC needs a scapegoat. He'll extend Triano for another year. The team will falter and not make the playoffs again maintaining the worst defense in the NBA for the third year straight. Triano will not get extended, Raptors will get a high pick in the loaded 2012 draft, and the Raps will be set with the young nucleus for the future. We need Triano to set us up for the 2012 draft.
so BC is going to keep Triano ONLY because he wants a scapegoat for a possible shitty team that falters and misses the playoffs next year ALL in hopes of a Triano firing and top 2012 draft pick...holy shit. Are you being facetious?
poetics is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2011, 05:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
baking the cookies of discontent.

Corner 3


 
finstock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 3,140
Representing:
Default

Brian Shaw should be available, now that the Lakers hired Brown. He'll probably land in Oakland though.
finstock is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2011, 08:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
diggin it.

Member
 
ReRoaR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 172
Representing:
Default

I don't understand the Triano hate on this board.

The people who have patience for Demar and suggest his shortcomings are due to lack of experience, are the same people that expect Jay to be a Phil Jackson immediately.

Jay understands the game, has the respect of the players, draws great plays coming out of timeouts, and has a strong desire to make the team succeed. Sure, he has his obvious faults, but this is a weak team right now and it's a good chance for him to learn and become a great coach at about the same time we are actually ready to make some noise.
ReRoaR is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2011, 08:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 69,772
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ReRoaR View Post
are the same people that expect Jay to be a Phil Jackson immediately.
Trust me, i don't expect Jay to be a Phil Jackson.....ever.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2011, 08:35 PM   #8 (permalink)
Canada b-ball, 2020 Olympic Gold Medalists

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,621
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Trust me, i don't expect Jay to be a Phil Jackson.....ever.
I think many Raptor fans would be content with him being Stu Jackson.
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2011, 07:38 AM   #9 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,776
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poetics View Post
so BC is going to keep Triano ONLY because he wants a scapegoat for a possible shitty team that falters and misses the playoffs next year ALL in hopes of a Triano firing and top 2012 draft pick...holy shit. Are you being facetious?
I just don't understand why BC wants to rehire Triano. Just trying to find some logic or benefits in keeping Jay. With better options out there and teams locking up some good coaches already, even Indiana possibly not retaining their head coach who had a winning record, why do we keep a coach who can't teach defense.
RAPMAN is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2011, 08:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
Waiting for DD's 1st in game wind mill Dunk

Senior Member

 
halphbreedballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: T.O.
Posts: 4,664
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ReRoaR View Post
I don't understand the Triano hate on this board.

The people who have patience for Demar and suggest his shortcomings are due to lack of experience, are the same people that expect Jay to be a Phil Jackson immediately.

Jay understands the game, has the respect of the players, draws great plays coming out of timeouts, and has a strong desire to make the team succeed. Sure, he has his obvious faults, but this is a weak team right now and it's a good chance for him to learn and become a great coach at about the same time we are actually ready to make some noise.
I don't hate JT, I just hate the fact that the Raptor players do not defend at all under his coaching.
halphbreedballer is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2011, 04:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
the boss

Senior Member
 
DonMughal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Mississauga
Posts: 3,914
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
^ Makes no sense to me at all. Laying down a strong foundation with a coach who's likely gone in a year. Why not lay the foundation with a more experienced coach who will get them to play better defense and be held more accountable. And allow them to grow under him for 3-5yrs and maybe beyond. The sooner that happens the better, in order to undo the bad habits they currently have.
And which more experienced coach will realistically come here? And also for 3-5+ years?
DonMughal is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2011, 06:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
wanting harrison barnes

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 480
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ReRoaR View Post
Jay understands the game


he often has terrible in bound plays and can not teach his players to play simple defense. also he is to focused on offense and pushing the ball when we can't even stop it on our own end.
i have nothing against first time head coaches just hire the right ones. triano came from a system of failure so we can't really blame his short comings as our HC.
komot is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2011, 09:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 284
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RAPMAN View Post
I just don't understand why BC wants to rehire Triano. Just trying to find some logic or benefits in keeping Jay. With better options out there and teams locking up some good coaches already, even Indiana possibly not retaining their head coach who had a winning record, why do we keep a coach who can't teach defense.
The players seemed to have positive things to say about him. I don't know, we all don't know entirely if the Rap's defensive deficiencies were due to the fact that we don't have adequate defensive stoppers, or because of Jay/coaching staff to get it out of them. The thing with Jay is - he doesn't have a proven track record. Yet to his credit he also doesn't have a proper team to rightly judge his entire body of work so far (in T.O) as a success or failure. Lets remember that Jay was called upon by the US national team to be part of the staff for the Olympics. That speaks volumes to me. The US is not short of BBall coaches. I'm not entirely sold on Jay as our HC either, but if the raps somehow land a Pass 1st PG, a real C and possibly a vet or two, I would give him the opportunity to take on a another 1 or 2 yrs.
poetics is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2011, 09:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
raptor jesus

Senior Member
 
Don Vito's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 3,832
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by komot View Post


he often has terrible in bound plays and can not teach his players to play simple defense. also he is to focused on offense and pushing the ball when we can't even stop it on our own end.
i have nothing against first time head coaches just hire the right ones. triano came from a system of failure so we can't really blame his short comings as our HC.
I don't think any coach can run an effective team defensively with Bargnani as the starting center & Calderon as the starting point guard.
Don Vito is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2011, 09:12 PM   #15 (permalink)
#NorthernUprising

F**k the Nets!!!
 
js12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: T.O.
Posts: 5,353
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Vito View Post
I don't think any coach can run an effective team defensively with Bargnani as the starting center & Calderon as the starting point guard.
+1 He needs more defensive pieces. He never had a good defensive team when he took over as coach. In his first year he had O'Neal/Marion, but that was it. The next year his best defensive stopper was Antoine Wright, which tells you something about the defensive talent. I don't think he got any more pieces this past season.
js12 is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2011, 12:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 791
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by js12 View Post
+1 He needs more defensive pieces. He never had a good defensive team when he took over as coach. In his first year he had O'Neal/Marion, but that was it. The next year his best defensive stopper was Antoine Wright, which tells you something about the defensive talent. I don't think he got any more pieces this past season.
Defensive talent is an issue, but the system that Triano instilled for 2009-10 was purely idiotic. He employed a system that called for the players to overcommit and pack the key. This was pure fallacy since NBA clubs are littered with shooters, and teams were getting way too many open looks.

In addition, Triano had and still does preach getting help from the strong side. Too many guys, especially Calderon, cheat on their man, leaving them wide open for shots. If help is to arrive, it should come from the weak side and not the strong side. Strong side help just leads to easy passes to wide-open shooters.
Northern Neighbour is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24