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Old 02-05-2012, 04:40 PM   #41 (permalink)
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DD at a reasonable salary is fine ... max $5 - $6M ... he may become a liget starter ...
hope he continues to improve his skills on both ends of the court
It's audition year ... lots of games to play
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Old 02-05-2012, 05:13 PM   #42 (permalink)
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LX - i completely agree with what you're saying. we probably wouldn't be having this conversation if the lockout didn't running through the training camp and pre-season.

you do have to take people outside of their comfort zone if you want them to develop and become more adapt to different in-game scenarios, that's for sure. my issue has been the lack of flexibility casey has shown incorporating their strengths at the same time. you can't expect the team to fully compromise their games all the times to fit the coaches game plan when they're not the right players for it in the first place.
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Old 02-05-2012, 05:19 PM   #43 (permalink)
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For sure - that's why I think this season is a problem one way or another and look forward to seeing what can be done with 2 or 3 more players in the right mold.
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Old 02-05-2012, 05:42 PM   #44 (permalink)
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so now demars lack of talent is casey's fault?

the guy who has the entire rest of this team competing on a nightly basis, and a good few performing very solidly considering the past under other coaches?
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:10 PM   #45 (permalink)
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so now demars lack of talent is casey's fault?

the guy who has the entire rest of this team competing on a nightly basis, and a good few performing very solidly considering the past under other coaches?
lack of talent in what regard? i think the majority of us are on the same page when it comes to what demar is capable of offensively. when we see him playing outside of his area of effectiveness, what would you suggest?
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lack of talent in what regard? i think the majority of us are on the same page when it comes to what demar is capable of offensively. when we see him playing outside of his area of effectiveness, what would you suggest?
lack of talent:

no defensive ig, no handles, terrible shooting mechanics, sub par athleticism for the position.


whe it comes to what demar is capable of offensively has only ever been a mid range jumper, and he is doing absolutely nothing to put himself into that position on the floor. you can say its caseys fault, but he isnt even cutting, most nights he does nothing to free himself from his defender on the offensive end.
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:39 PM   #47 (permalink)
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minor comparisons are stupid. the guy couldn't hack it in the league, demar at his very worse is a solid player playing thru a funk and trying to meet high expectations.
A three year funk. Nice.
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:43 PM   #48 (permalink)
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LX - i completely agree with what you're saying. we probably wouldn't be having this conversation if the lockout didn't running through the training camp and pre-season.

you do have to take people outside of their comfort zone if you want them to develop and become more adapt to different in-game scenarios, that's for sure. my issue has been the lack of flexibility casey has shown incorporating their strengths at the same time. you can't expect the team to fully compromise their games all the times to fit the coaches game plan when they're not the right players for it in the first place.
wow. the schedule too right.. i mean really, Demar has had to play so many road games, aso many back to backs with no real practice time. As well, he has had ZERO training bcause of the lock out, so we should assume that he is just a bit rusty, might weel ink the kid to 12 million large for 5 years, cuz you know, its rust.

Rest of the teams in the league...they were...er...oh ya, they were locked out too. They have two guards that were locked out too. They seem fine.

Face it guys. he isn't a superstar, thats MY beef. I like the guy, I like him on the team, but I sure as hell fear what I see is happening, and that, is that he's gonna get a big contract based up on "potential".... thats terrifying.
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Terrifying. That about says it all.
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:50 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I wouldnt expect you to have a clue what I'm talking about.

Demar has done well, at times...like Sundiata Gaines. He excelled for a while second half last year when games meant absolutely nothing as well. Whoopity doo. The diff for Demar, between 15 a game and 9 would be meaningful games. Bank that my friend.

Don't argue LX, you have for 5 years now and I'm about 29/30 for most of my arguments with you.... like Adrian says "you can't win rock"

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I wouldn't expect anyone to have a clue what you're saying. One day he has a chance to be a bit like Kobe, the next day he's Miner. Can't wait for when we hear how much you always liked him, good kid, works hard, and anyone that can't see the true potential doesn't know shit. No - let's just settle it now - you played ball - you know - we all know shit at all times and should just await your teetering and tottering verdicts.
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:06 PM   #52 (permalink)
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you just cant keep up is all...shit moves baby, it evoles and changes...if you cant keep up you aint in the game.
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:07 PM   #53 (permalink)
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(and ya, just for you, there was a ton of shit in that last post... that one was free...try and learn something Skippy)
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:08 PM   #54 (permalink)
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(and ya, just for you, there was a ton of shit in that last post... that one was free...try and learn something Skippy)
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:06 PM   #55 (permalink)
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wow. the schedule too right.. i mean really, Demar has had to play so many road games, aso many back to backs with no real practice time. As well, he has had ZERO training bcause of the lock out, so we should assume that he is just a bit rusty, might weel ink the kid to 12 million large for 5 years, cuz you know, its rust.

Rest of the teams in the league...they were...er...oh ya, they were locked out too. They have two guards that were locked out too. They seem fine.

Face it guys. he isn't a superstar, thats MY beef. I like the guy, I like him on the team, but I sure as hell fear what I see is happening, and that, is that he's gonna get a big contract based up on "potential".... thats terrifying.
you have a beef because he isn't a superstar.

maybe you should keep your expectation management under control, cause you sound silly making comments like three year funks and harold minor simply because they're so far off base.

did we all watch the same player play last season? we like to think that we're all pretty big basketball fans, right? so, if we watched a lot of basketball and know a lot about player progression, systems and so fore, please tell me why i shouldn't think you're a moron if you're beef is because he isn't a superstar?

last season we watched the demar that didn't have a handle, he didn't create and he didn't play great defence. in which world would you expect him to become a superstar? this season, he's improved in each of those aspects, but seriously, what are you expecting? your beef with demar is that you're dumb and he probably made you look a fool because you told someone somewhere that he was gonna be kobe this season. there's no other explanation.
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lack of talent:

no defensive ig, no handles, terrible shooting mechanics, sub par athleticism for the position.


whe it comes to what demar is capable of offensively has only ever been a mid range jumper, and he is doing absolutely nothing to put himself into that position on the floor. you can say its caseys fault, but he isnt even cutting, most nights he does nothing to free himself from his defender on the offensive end.
mid-range jumper, slashing and point in transition have been his bread and butter. i've seen him in far less positioning to utilize any of these skills this season. i'm not going to argue that his shot selection has been less than desirable, but more often than not, he's been put into situations where he's being forced out of his area of comfort and given the ball where the options have been limited jump shots.

i don't get it, to be honest, i don't see why people were expecting so much from him and i don't get why people are being so critical about him. is it because people mentioned his name in the same breathe as vince carter?
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I wish Jackson would post more often.
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thanks, but i have a daily word cap lol
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:29 PM   #59 (permalink)
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mid-range jumper, slashing and point in transition have been his bread and butter. i've seen him in far less positioning to utilize any of these skills this season. i'm not going to argue that his shot selection has been less than desirable, but more often than not, he's been put into situations where he's being forced out of his area of comfort and given the ball where the options have been limited jump shots.

i don't get it, to be honest, i don't see why people were expecting so much from him and i don't get why people are being so critical about him. is it because people mentioned his name in the same breathe as vince carter?
Yeah that's it. It was also Triano who compared him to Kobe when he was young. He just hasn't lived up to the expectations being thrown at him, not yet at least. Who knows what kind of player he will be in a few years... he is the true enigma of all enigmas.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:47 PM   #60 (permalink)
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mid-range jumper, slashing and point in transition have been his bread and butter. i've seen him in far less positioning to utilize any of these skills this season. i'm not going to argue that his shot selection has been less than desirable, but more often than not, he's been put into situations where he's being forced out of his area of comfort and given the ball where the options have been limited jump shots.

i don't get it, to be honest, i don't see why people were expecting so much from him and i don't get why people are being so critical about him. is it because people mentioned his name in the same breathe as vince carter?
I think that part of it probably has to do with the fact that management seemed to point to DD at the end of last season with the idea that "this is our new posterboy along with Bargs" in their minds.

Add in the fact that he was supposed to have worked tirelessly on his outside shot this past season and it's not hard to see why some are confused about him now and not really sure if he's worth extending (which is supposed to happen this season right)?

I don't think that anyone would balk at re-upping DD for an MLE-type contract.... but something tells me that he's going to command much more. And for a "decent 2-guard" who may not have that star potential that's a bit scary considering how many times this organization has overpayed in the past.
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