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Old 02-04-2012, 08:51 PM   #21 (permalink)
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He just needs to pass the ball and not worry so much about other people's expectations. Hard thing to do in Toronto.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:23 PM   #22 (permalink)
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He just needs to pass the ball and not worry so much about other people's expectations. Hard thing to do in Toronto.
Yep - and I've liked what I've seen when he passes. He's hardly off the rails unless you think the game is all about bringing that summer league stuff to the regular season, like too many seem to expect somehow.

He wasn't going to turn into Kobe by watching tape. I guess he's been watching Miner tape lately?

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Old 02-05-2012, 01:26 AM   #23 (permalink)
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But didn't you like Demar at one point? Am I confusing you with one of the other regular posters?

I'm not asking so that I can go "Gotcha!" If you did actually like Demar last year, what made you change your mind so quickly? That's what I'm curious about. I mean, I'd definitely consider trading him for a player who's proven they can score consitently in a starting role (Mayo -during his first 2 seasons as a starter) but I also think there's a possiblity that Demar can get his shit together. I mean, he did actually show some positive signs last year. I don't recall Harold Minor having a 35+ sample of games where he scored 19+ PPG.
I did, and I like him now, I have always said, if he can keep working hard, keep pushing, maybe he'll be good. I think Demar is a cool Kid, I really do, but you can only go on what you see, and what we see is one of the worst starting 2 guards in th NBA in a ton of categories. A guy that has been hyped as a freak athlete but who is only a bit better than average.

My mind hasn't changed quickly, ask Cuda, she watches games with me all the time and has for a while, I have never thought he was good, I only like his effort. I just don't think he's any good at this point.

He sure looked good in game one. and game 8, and game 20.....thats a big issue, Forbes can do that too.
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:49 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Does it really matter that he's not a freak athlete? And wasn't it clear from day one that he was going to need a complete game rather than rely on athletic prowess? And shouldn't he be given a little bit more time, and much more of a team, to show that he can provide an all-around complete game?
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Old 02-05-2012, 09:50 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Does it really matter that he's not a freak athlete? And wasn't it clear from day one that he was going to need a complete game rather than rely on athletic prowess? And shouldn't he be given a little bit more time, and much more of a team, to show that he can provide an all-around complete game?
Everything that you're saying is true LX, but it comes down to this....

Would you give DD $40M over 4 years to re-sign with us in the hopes that everything gets worked out?

TBH, based on what I've seen over his entire body of work I'd probably let him walk. Average 2-guards (which is what he seems to be) aren't that hard to find.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:34 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:53 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Everything that you're saying is true LX, but it comes down to this....

Would you give DD $40M over 4 years to re-sign with us in the hopes that everything gets worked out?

TBH, based on what I've seen over his entire body of work I'd probably let him walk. Average 2-guards (which is what he seems to be) aren't that hard to find.
I might feel the same way when it comes time to consider such things. Or I might feel quite differently. That's what this season is mostly about - assessing what is here and what is needed. So let the season play out - at least up to the trade deadline. And then again - if the right trade is made, DD could look quite different. He's improving defensively, and looking to play a team game where there is not much of a team, so he does retain some value in my eyes. I'm not sure how that means 40 million right off. If he's clearly average then how does he get paid above average?
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:10 PM   #28 (permalink)
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When he shoots, just at the moment you know he is going to, what is your gut reaction?

Same when he drives.

Thats basically how I rate guys. And right now, in this situation, he doesnt fill me with confidence.

When the good layers started, with bad teams, they stood out and excelled. Teams lost despite their best efforts.

That ain't happening with Dmar in Toronto.

And LX, to answer your question, yes, it doesn matter that he isn't a freak athlete, because his hype and half his selling points revolved around that. That why they talk about him in high regard, when really, he doesn't even have that. So that means to me, offer him 4.5 million as a back up and turn your attention otherwise, if he walks, no big deal.
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:18 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Harold Minor.... cept Harold was better
minor was baby jordan .... demar is baby minor
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:33 PM   #30 (permalink)
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minor comparisons are stupid. the guy couldn't hack it in the league, demar at his very worse is a solid player playing thru a funk and trying to meet high expectations.
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:59 PM   #31 (permalink)
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yes he has a bad stretch ! that happen to every player.
Not too much to worry right now.

2.
don't forget, new coach, new system, defense first. that's very new to him. even in college, he wasn't know as a defender, and less with Triano.
the training camp was very short to establish some principal and fondamental. and the practice are not legion this season so far.

3. he has improve in defense :
a. he take charge, what he doesn't do his first two season.
b. he tries and works on rebound. he has his first double-double this season, no ?
c. he help other in defense. he was a little lost in the begining, not so much now.

4. we can see when the team (esp. Caldy) run he is there to finish.

5.
i see improvment in his decision making when he attack. He see the defense wall more often, and pass the ball out.

6. he gets less calls than last year.
maybe some change in the ruling, make him inconfortable for now.

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Bargs plays in the EUro championship, and could work on the defense and his overall game. DD only play in some street league. that not the same to improve.

yes, i know i like him. but i can also admit that he will not be the next kobe. he has a long way to go to become half kobe. but i really think end of the season, he will become a much better overall player.
because Casey push to do other things than drive head down to the basket. he will learn, and maybe he will not be a top 5 SG in this league, but i really think he can be in the top 10 sg.

like his detractor, i'm disappointing, but i really thing he can turn this slump around.

start tuesday, rpas would be more at home, and will have more practice to put offense in place. i really think that can make a huge difference, esp in the deplacement on Offense.

patience my Raptors fan friends ! patience !
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:38 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I might feel the same way when it comes time to consider such things. Or I might feel quite differently. That's what this season is mostly about - assessing what is here and what is needed. So let the season play out - at least up to the trade deadline. And then again - if the right trade is made, DD could look quite different. He's improving defensively, and looking to play a team game where there is not much of a team, so he does retain some value in my eyes. I'm not sure how that means 40 million right off. If he's clearly average then how does he get paid above average?
Because we're the Raptors and we overpay everyone!
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:41 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Hmmmmmm...seems to be above average at the moment. Best raptor on the court. Matching up pretty well against LeBron.

Thinking more about Toraps suggesting avg 2 guards are easy to come by. When was the last time Toronto had an average wing player of any sort?
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:44 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Hmmmmmm...seems to be above average at the moment. Best raptor on the court. Matching up pretty well against LeBron.

Thinking more about Toraps suggesting avg 2 guards are easy to come by. When was the last time Toronto had an average wing player of any sort?
average? hmm, ford, caldy, parker, mo pete, Charlie V (he played a bit of time at the sf right?), and i'm sure countless others that i'm forgetting right now. better than average, that's another story
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average? hmm, ford, caldy, parker, mo pete, Charlie V (he played a bit of time at the sf right?), and i'm sure countless others that i'm forgetting right now. better than average, that's another story
They were all a long time ago as well.I wouldn't count the pg's. I'd say Delfino, but I'd say that Demar has him beat from what he did as a Raptor.
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They were all a long time ago as well.I wouldn't count the pg's. I'd say Delfino, but I'd say that Demar has him beat from what he did as a Raptor.
i'd say delfino did more as a raptor than demar. To be honest with ourselves, completely honest, Demar has had a half of a season be successful, the rest of it he was inconsistant at best. Correct me if i'm wrong (didn't watch the raps too much back then) but that was delfino's forte.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:42 PM   #37 (permalink)
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i'd say delfino did more as a raptor than demar. To be honest with ourselves, completely honest, Demar has had a half of a season be successful, the rest of it he was inconsistant at best. Correct me if i'm wrong (didn't watch the raps too much back then) but that was delfino's forte.
Delfino was woefully inconsistent as a Raptor. He had a knack for turning the ball over, never met a shot he didn't like and shot under 40% to boot. He definitely had better hair though.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:08 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Hmmmmmm...seems to be above average at the moment. Best raptor on the court. Matching up pretty well against LeBron.

Thinking more about Toraps suggesting avg 2 guards are easy to come by. When was the last time Toronto had an average wing player of any sort?
AP was pretty consistent... and that was only a few years back.

I'd say JJ would qualify as an "avg wing player" right now as well. Ditto for Barbosa.

DD is playing well today... and if today's performance proves to be the rule rather than the exception then all of our worries on that front will be gone. Big "if" though.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:20 PM   #39 (permalink)
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today's performance to me proves that it's the offensive system that's deteriorating his offensive game. you can't ignore his high efficiency and ability to get to the line up to this point of his career.

i just hope casey is going to let this team move a little more then he has in the past. we're a good offensive team when we're not strictly trying to score in half court sets.
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today's performance to me proves that it's the offensive system that's deteriorating his offensive game. you can't ignore his high efficiency and ability to get to the line up to this point of his career.

i just hope casey is going to let this team move a little more then he has in the past. we're a good offensive team when we're not strictly trying to score in half court sets.
I agree somewhat, but I'm more than happy to see Toronto trying to develop a role for DD as a guy that can play smart in any situation, and not straying from the defensive end. It's a fairly big role they're looking to fill, and we shouldn't be needing to see that happen in 25 games with not much of a camp.
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