CHISHOLM: IN RAPTORLAND, THE KEY WORD IS 'PATIENCE'
Old 07-24-2010, 07:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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See, as one starts to whittle down the roadblocks facing the Raptors one starts to see why this summer has been so uneventful in terms of acquisitions. Did the flurry of moves last summer create an appetite for overhauls that can't be sated year after year? Possibly. Though remember, one of the most important transactions of last summer didn't come until August 18th, when the team swapped Roko Ukic and Carlos Delfino for Amir Johnson and Sonny Weems, two current cornerstones for this upcoming season, so it isn't like expediency in summer trades nets the best rewards.

The other factor working against a swift turnover is that, without Bosh in the fold, the need to do all of the team's business before the season starts is gone. If the team can't find the right trade for Calderon before October, they might as well see if they can pump his value in an open-court system during the season. The Traded Player Exceptions last for a whole year, too, and may wind up being more valuable at the trade deadline (when teams find themselves out of the race and looking to shed salaries) than in the summer when every team is high on their squad's current makeup.

Would Colangelo like to get something done sooner rather than later? Yes, no doubt he would. His reputation has taken a bit of a beating this summer and he could use an unequivocal win to boost his reputation. Not a win that involves sending away his best player (though he did hold out for a pure trade exception, with no players to dilute its value) or one that involves admitting one of his biggest roster mistakes (even if turning four guaranteed years into two at a lower rate was an unexpectedly positive return), he needs a win, period. He needs a deal that shows that he's still got some improvisational muscle in NBA circles. The thing is, right now it's not about what's best for Bryan Colangelo, it's about what's best for the Toronto Raptors. Fans and media types may lament the summer so far, but never before has patience and diligence on Colangelo's part been of such high importance. For the first time EVER, the Raptors look to have a young core of talent, not just a young player or two, and Colangelo is being thoughtful in how he chooses to augment that core. There is no clock to work against here, no All-Star pining for immediate wins, there is just the need for a club to find the right pieces to move it into the next phase of its existence. Colangelo may need a win right now, but let's face it, the Raptors need one more, and it may take more time than fans or media types feel comfortable with to find the transaction that best benefits Toronto's ballclub.

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I expect a major trade sometime this offseason. We have a massive TPE to use, with an expiring date next year. I doubt BC wants to risk using it later before the trade deadline, since he could get booted after next season when his contract ends.
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I expect a major trade sometime this offseason. We have a massive TPE to use, with an expiring date next year. I doubt BC wants to risk using it later before the trade deadline, since he could get booted after next season when his contract ends.
The longer you wait the less options you have. Plus like you said he needs to get results this season. I expect two more moves this summer. One to get a Center and another to either get a starting SF or a starting PG (TPE?) once Jose is moved (i hope).
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The longer you wait the less options you have. Plus like you said he needs to get results this season. I expect two more moves this summer. One to get a Center and another to either get a starting SF or a starting PG (TPE?) once Jose is moved (i hope).
The longer you wait?

How about all the teams selling at the trade deadline?

Also, the TPE isn't some magical spell that's going to fool another team into giving us an awesome player for nothing. It's in all likelihood it'll be able to snag us a player with a long bloated contract that another team is looking to unload.
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The longer you wait?

How about all the teams selling at the trade deadline?

Also, the TPE isn't some magical spell that's going to fool another team into giving us an awesome player for nothing. It's in all likelihood it'll be able to snag us a player with a long bloated contract that another team is looking to unload.

I think he's gonna end up taking a couple decent players in any trade for the TPE. You're right about the trade deadline. But i can see BC trying to get something done this summer with it.
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Old 07-24-2010, 08:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This is the same point you made weeks ago. Message to Chisholm - give RF a little shout out now and then!

Nice job of contrasting BC's needs vs the team's needs. I have patience in regards to one, and very little with the other. I can stand to see the team lose this season under the right circumstances. If say everything turns out to be about offense, Kleiza or Barbosa turn out to be a big hot mess, and Weems ends up looking like poop with a much bigger role thrust upon him somewhat unnecessarily, then that kind of stuff is going to piss me off. If there are steps towards becoming solid defensively and gaining some sort of sense of an overall identity, then the numbers in the W and L columns won't matter all that much.

In other words - if there is patience at the team level, and some actual accountability put in place all the same (which actually requires a level of patience, because it can mean sitting more talented players and sacrificing wins), then I can be patient.
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Old 07-24-2010, 08:39 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Leafs haven't won since 1967 - BE PATIENT!
Raptors haven't won anything since their inception - BE PATIENT!

Shut up TSN, Sportsnet,The Globe and Mail etc, etc.... constantly telling us to be patient. Last year it was "Be patient, they're a brand new team, 9+ new faces, it'll take time.. it'll take... PATIENCE! "
All for that. It's become annoying and really repetitive.
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Old 07-24-2010, 08:44 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Bryan Collangelo lost pateince when he fired the head coach with an 8-9 record.
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Yeah, be patient in waiting another 3-4 years to go out in the first round again, and repeat the cycle in losing our best player. If Derozan actually does break out, be patient because in 6 years, after a few mediocre years, he will leave the team and go somewhere better where he'll win more and be appreciated for the player he really is.

I can just see in a few years if he does break out but doesnt reach the highest level people will be all over him and blame him for the team not getting anywhere and not the team itself as usual.

I'm supposed to say Bargnani but I dont think thats being realistic because he doesnt have the commitment to the game or smarts to ever reach his potential or become a near elite player.
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Bryan Collangelo lost pateince when he fired the head coach with an 8-9 record.
You mean the same coach that was belittled by fans for at least a year before he was fired, and who wanted him canned?
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You mean the same coach that was belittled by fans for at least a year before he was fired, and who wanted him canned?
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Old 07-24-2010, 09:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Leafs haven't won since 1967 - BE PATIENT!
Raptors haven't won anything since their inception - BE PATIENT!

Shut up TSN, Sportsnet,The Globe and Mail etc, etc.... constantly telling us to be patient. Last year it was "Be patient, they're a brand new team, 9+ new faces, it'll take time.. it'll take... PATIENCE! "
All for that. It's become annoying and really repetitive.
yeah i know. they always say, "This year we look forward to having a great year and excited to do well." or "It's okay, next season will be Raptor's season" they keep saying that over and over and never happens what was expected to be.
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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This is the same point you made weeks ago. Message to Chisholm - give RF a little shout out now and then!

Nice job of contrasting BC's needs vs the team's needs. I have patience in regards to one, and very little with the other. I can stand to see the team lose this season under the right circumstances. If say everything turns out to be about offense, Kleiza or Barbosa turn out to be a big hot mess, and Weems ends up looking like poop with a much bigger role thrust upon him somewhat unnecessarily, then that kind of stuff is going to piss me off. If there are steps towards becoming solid defensively and gaining some sort of sense of an overall identity, then the numbers in the W and L columns won't matter all that much.

In other words - if there is patience at the team level, and some actual accountability put in place all the same (which actually requires a level of patience, because it can mean sitting more talented players and sacrificing wins), then I can be patient.
I must say you always manage to piss me off.
1. Who did we get Barbosa for? ( yes the untradable Turk who shit on everyone from the City to the Fans ) We got Barbosa a 6th man of the year a spark-plug to the offense and I dare say likely the best defensively of the 3 current PGs.
2. Klieza signed no players lost for a mid-level exemption his contract front loaded so Denver wouldn't match. He may not be quite the SF we would have liked but at his worst he will be a upgrade over Turk.
3. Weems you are a ass we are paying him 800 K but he has shown he can rise to a challenge. No he may never he a elite player but he has the potential to be a very solid starter or at wotst a versitile back-up. Even at this stage he is a definite improvement over Moon, Graham, Parker and Delfino.
4. Blame MJ insecurity that he would listen to pundits and nex a agreed trade and do something that was far worse.
5. Barnes just premature twitter again blame agent and player.

The reality is that we have a team that has similar abilities to last years team with Bosh. The formation of the team isn't finished and Bc can deal with the best.

We aren't stuck with Bosh's max contract and have 2 draft choices next year.

After Miami, Chicago, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta and Milwaukee the other 2 playoff spots are up for grabs.

Toronto is definitely better than NJ, Detroit, Indiana, Cleveland so have a very decent shot at making the playoffs fighting NYK, Charlotte for the final spots.
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did you guys forget about ed davis, we actually have a defensive stopper this season in the post. blocks and goes after rebounds.. something we lacked alot..
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I don't think we really have a choice, being a raptor fan you have to be patient


the only thing you can ask from your team is make the playoffs and play hard, if we end up winning its a great gift but playoffs are always special


does it really matter if where competitive this year or not, if we are we get to challenge for the 7 or 8 th seed, if where not we get to draft in one of the better draft classes in a while, next years draft class is top 6 deep

so if we make the playoffs I'll be happy, and if we bomb i'll be happy knowing we'll have a chance at harrison barnes, brandon knight, kyrie irving, my personal favorite is brandon knight, would love to see him running our point

plus another huge bonus is watching demar derozan develop, if he can that means we have a no 2 option in bargnani, and a no 3 option in demar, all we need is a legit no 1 option we could get that in the draft the following year if we bomb,

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did you guys forget about ed davis, we actually have a defensive stopper this season in the post. blocks and goes after rebounds.. something we lacked alot..
Big difference between regular season and summer league.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Old 07-25-2010, 04:21 AM   #17 (permalink)
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How can you be patient with a side which has given a wod of cash to a Power Foward who should only be getting about 15mil for 5 seasons. We currently have 2 Starting PGs on our books one needs to be moved. We also need to move Bellinelli aswell due to the acquisition of Barbosa. Still seen no inroads into getting a starting centre or PF. I'm sick of being patient we be patient finish up the season towards the bottom draft a really good player he is supposed to be the light for the Raptors only to have him leave us like the other 2 did once the going gets to tough.
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Old 07-25-2010, 07:54 AM   #18 (permalink)
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It's absolutely a time for patience. I would rather see BC take his time for a change and have a specific plan. Build a team that has hunger, athleticism, defense first, hard nosed take no shit attitude ... Add pieces as you go.
The blow it up every year approach trying to make Bosh happy got us no where ... I prefer our position this year vs last.
Patience BC ... Patience
BC - Lets see what we have and if you pull the trigger on a move have a friggin plan
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:47 AM   #19 (permalink)
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You mean the same coach that was belittled by fans for at least a year before he was fired, and who wanted him canned?
I mean the coach who won coach of the year a short time before getting fired.
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you should look at all the threads before Smitch got fired.
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