Chisholm mid season grades

jeffb · 02-22-2012, 12:59 PM

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Andrea Bargnani

The sample size is so small that one feels like an incomplete grade would be more appropriate here. Bargnani was stellar out of the gate, scoring a career-high 23.5 ppg on a career-high .476 shooting clip while also playing noteworthy defence and marginally improving on his rebounding. However, after only 13 games, no one knows for sure if any of these things will last. The Raptors don't need to know what Bargnani can do in bursts, they need to know what he can do over a full season, year-after-year, and that is something that they still don't know. Nonetheless, he exceeded expectations when healthy and that has to count for something. - Grade: A

Jose Calderon

Calderon remains one of the league's most efficient players, going for 11.2 ppg and 8.8 apg on solid percentages, and he's done yeoman's work this season logging major minutes at his position because of injuries to Jerryd Bayless. Considering all that we know about Calderon, it's hard to find fault in much that he has done this year. His lateral movement will always make him a liability against quick, penetrating guards, but outside of that flaw, he's been the team's most dependable player all season long. - Grade: A-

James Johnson

No player has shown more growth and maturity in their game this year than Johnson has. His perimeter defence is much more cerebral and less chaotic, he's been aggressive taking his offence towards the basket and his overall energy on the court has been undeniable all season long. He's still got some refining to do but he looks like a keeper as a reserve combo forward for the club. - Grade: B

Linas Kleiza

Kleiza is having a serious bounce-back year after a disastrous start to his Raptors career last season. He's posting a career-high in PER (15.4) based heavily on solid rebounding and three-point shooting numbers. His pitbull mentality on the court has been a great asset off of the bench, and while turnovers remain a problem, his year-over-year growth has been a rare bright spot this season. - Grade: B-

Amir Johnson

Johnson is always a tough one to measure out. For the last two seasons, he's been asked to start and play a role that is way above his available skill set, and while he doesn't excel at it, he doesn't embarrass himself, either. The fact remains, though, that his effort has been inconsistent this year, his focus on defence comes and goes, and outside of his rebounding, most of his per-minute numbers have fallen off from a season ago. Johnson is what he is and when he's dialed in, he's a solid contributor but that doesn't happen all of the time and at this point, it looks like what Johnson is today is what he will be going forward. That's not all bad, not at all, but it's always bittersweet to see a player finally hit their ceiling. - Grade: B-

Aaron Gray

Gray grades out well purely because so little was expected of him and he's provided a solid return on the team's investment in him. He's become more or less the nightly starter at centre, he mixes it up down low, sets good screens and actually has the best rebound percentage on the team by a mile (22.1). He's taken over the low-mistake quasi-starter role that Rasho Nesterovic played so well in 2006-07, and it would be wise to keep him around next season to start while the team brings Jonas Valanciunas around slowly. - Grade: B-

Leandro Barbosa

In one sense, Barbosa is what he is and does what he does and you can like it or lump it. However, in another sense, Barbosa's act as bench gunner has grown a little stale. His percentages are below even last year's mediocre averages (he's registering a career-low .498 true shooting percentage) and he's fallen off tremendously from a solid start to the season. In fairness, I can't imagine playing for the Raptors gets his competitive juices flowing, so that could help explain his drop-off, so suffice it to say that his greatest value to the team remains his trade value over the next 30 days. - Grade: C+

Ed Davis

Davis is a hard one to measure this year because I don't think anyone believes that they have a strong feel for him as an NBAer yet. His numbers are down across the board this season and his offence looks just as stilted and forced as it did a year ago. He's begun impressing the coaches in recent games, but he hasn't done anything to separate himself from the pack at power forward. His strong rebounding instincts will ensure he has a role, but if he wants more (and the team certainly wants more from him), he'll need to make tremendous gains in the second half of the season and beyond. - Grade: C-

Jerryd Bayless

It's just about time that we start facing certain realities about Bayless. First, he's not a point guard. He has no instinct for playmaking or running a healthy offence. Second, he's not the second coming of Leandro Barbosa. He's shooting below 40%, he doesn't have anything close to Barbosa's first step and he doesn't finish around the basket nearly as well. After four years, people are going to have to realize that he's more Randy Foye than Mo Williams and adjust their projections for his future, accordingly. Also, while you can't fault a player for being hurt, Bayless has been hurt a lot this year. - Grade: C-

Jamaal Magloire

Magloire is another tough one to rate. Everyone knew coming in that his best days were behind him, so grading him down would seem unfair. He's brought the toughness and leadership that he was brought in to provide and so in that sense, his signing was a win. That said, you can only give so much rope to a player like that. - Grade: C-

Anthony Carter

Much like Jamaal Magloire, Carter is giving just about what you'd expect Carter to give, considering he's a 36-year-old point guard in a speedster's game. However, he knows where to be on defence and he hasn't embarrassed himself out there when he's been forced into action. He's never played fewer minutes per game and there is a reason why, but like Magloire, you can only penalize a player so much for being exactly what the team thought he'd be when he was brought in. - Grade: C-

DeMar DeRozan

No doubt many will see DeRozan falling behind Magloire and Carter as galling or unjust, but the fact remains that, relative to his talent and the expectations he set by playing so well for four months last season, he's failing. He's sporting a career-worst PER (11.3), which ranks him 52nd amongst NBA shooting guards. He only just recently pulled his shooting percentage above 40%, but is still shooting worse than he ever has by a wide margin. The only area that DeRozan seems to be posting consistently higher numbers in is turnovers. Right now, the only reason he's getting the kind of minutes and touches that he is is because of the organization's investment in him and his production last season. Very few other teams in the NBA would continue to feature him, considering the production that he has posted this year. - Grade: D+

Chisholm: Grading the Raptors at the halfway point

Superjudge · 02-22-2012, 01:37 PM

He's sporting a career-worst PER (11.3), which ranks him 52nd amongst NBA shooting guards.

That's for whoever it was that thought I was on crack saying he was last of the starters in this league. Dude is not performing.

**'trane** · 02-22-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

He's sporting a career-worst PER (11.3), which ranks him 52nd amongst NBA shooting guards.

That's for whoever it was that thought I was on crack saying he was last of the starters in this league. Dude is not performing.

except that you said this:

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

dude, Derozan is dead fuckling last in almost every measured statistical category amongst starting sg's in the NBA.

which is quite different than what you quoted here.

MikeToronto · 02-22-2012, 02:20 PM

That analysis was spot on.

Chris · 02-22-2012, 02:25 PM

Grades seem spot on to me. Wish we could've see some more AB before he down went though. Also, I really didn't realize Demar was doing THAT horrible!

carp · 02-22-2012, 02:35 PM

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Very few other teams in the NBA would continue to feature him, considering the production that he has posted this year

Not good at all. He can still be good, but I'd be pushing hard for a batum trade!

bjjs · 02-22-2012, 03:37 PM

Chrisholm sucks

Superjudge · 02-22-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane

except that you said this:

which is quite different than what you quoted here.

not really.

**'trane** · 02-22-2012, 03:56 PM

sure man. nice try.

Superjudge · 02-22-2012, 04:00 PM

Really?

Man, you're crazy, do a head to head of each teams two guy, I think you might see that DD ain't looking so good. Hell, go to the "what they're saying" section.... other teams fans are starting to turn on the guy.

**'trane** · 02-22-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

Really?

Man, you're crazy, do a head to head of each teams two guy, I think you might see that DD ain't looking so good. Hell, go to the "what they're saying" section.... other teams fans are starting to turn on the guy.

not sure that you get it. i'm not saying he's playing well, i'm pointing to the significant difference between saying he's dead last in almost every statistical category and saying he's 52nd in per. that's not the same thing. you using it to prove that you were right is simply incorrect.

merlin2049er · 02-22-2012, 04:22 PM

Lol, he gave everyone but DeRozan passing grades? The team is 9 - 23, more players deserve failing grades.

Superjudge · 02-22-2012, 04:23 PM

i basically exaggerate for effect. Most people with even a modicum of social skill can understand that, and actually appreciate its effect. Those who cannot.... well they need to work on that.

Derozan is good right now, because he makes 2.5 million bucks.

bjjs · 02-22-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

Really?

Man, you're crazy, do a head to head of each teams two guy, I think you might see that DD ain't looking so good. Hell, go to the "what they're saying" section.... other teams fans are starting to turn on the guy.

Going head to head is silly when 2/3rds of these guys outplay or get ouplayed by one another on any given night.

Legends
Boston - Ray Allen
SAS - Ginobli
Mami - Wade
LAL - Kobe

Players (these guys are the best of the rest)
Houston - Martin
Atlanta - Joe Johnson
GS - Ellis
Denver - Afflalo
OKC - Seflosha
Portland - Batum

The Rest
Toronto - Derozan
NJ - Brooks
Indiana - Paul George
Washington - Young
Utah - Hayward
Orl - Redick
Sac - Evans
Minnesota - Ridnour
Milwaukee - Livingston
Phoenix - Redd
Charlotte - Reggie Williams
Cleveland - Gibson
Detroit - Stuckey
Phili - Meeks
Memphis - Allen
NOH - Belinelli
NYK - Shumpert/Fields
Mavs - Carter
Clippers - Foye

I think that if you look at this list and project 5-7 years into the future, there is a good possibility that Demar will be one of the top 2-guards out of that group. He's has an athletic advantage on a lot of those guys, good instinct, and most importantly, drive.

**'trane** · 02-22-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

i basically exaggerate for effect. Most people with even a modicum of social skill can understand that, and actually appreciate its effect. Those who cannot.... well they need to work on that.

Derozan is good right now, because he makes 2.5 million bucks.

then i will take everything you say to be a joke. i suppose i already do this, but from now on will assume that you are also in on the joke.

carp · 02-22-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs

Going head to head is silly when 2/3rds of these guys outplay or get ouplayed by one another on any given night.

Legends
Atlanta - Joe Johnson
Boston - Ray Allen
SAS - Ginobli
Mami - Wade
LAL - Kobe

Players
Houston - Martin
GS - Ellis
Denver - Afflalo
OKC - Seflosha
Portland - Batum

The Rest
Toronto - Derozan
NJ - Brooks
Indiana - Paul George
Washington - Young
Utah - Hayward
Orl - Redick
Sac - Evans
Minnesota - Ridnour
Milwaukee - Livingston
Phoenix - Redd
Charlotte - Reggie Williams
Cleveland - Gibson
Detroit - Stuckey
Phili - Meeks
Memphis - Allen
NOH - Belinelli
NYK - Shumpert/Fields
Mavs - Carter
Clippers - Foye

I think that if you look at this list and project 5-7 years into the future, there is a good possibility that Demar will be one of the top 2-guards out of that group. He's has an athletic advantage on a lot of those guys, good instinct, and most importantly, drive.

Not judging, but that list is quite incomplete

MikeToronto · 02-22-2012, 04:46 PM

And, also worth noting - by the end of the last century, this was the league of shooting guards. Boy, how the times have changed...

**Ball Don't Lie** · 02-22-2012, 05:33 PM

Changed from isolation SGs to the best PG crop ever. When the rules changed and the zone was implimented, you stopped seeing the huge games by star SGs so often. Pick and roll basketball is where its at now.

Bill Haverchuck · 02-22-2012, 08:15 PM

On the bright side, prior to tonight, Derozan's averaging 20 ppg over the last 8 games on 47% shooting. Tonight he has 16 points at halftime. Maybe he's quietly turning things around.

MikeToronto · 02-22-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thriller92

Changed from isolation SGs to the best PG crop ever. When the rules changed and the zone was implimented, you stopped seeing the huge games by star SGs so often. Pick and roll basketball is where its at now.

Yeah, but you have to agree that the talent pool has kinda dried out at 2 as well. Which sucks, 'cause the new rules benefit perimeter players no matter what position.

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02-22-2012, 01:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,593 Representing:	He's sporting a career-worst PER (11.3), which ranks him 52nd amongst NBA shooting guards. That's for whoever it was that thought I was on crack saying he was last of the starters in this league. Dude is not performing.

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MikeToronto is Gam zeh ya'avor The Gatekeeper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,544 Representing:	That analysis was spot on.

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Chris is representing the Big Land basketball is life Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Newfoundland Posts: 1,372 Representing:	Grades seem spot on to me. Wish we could've see some more AB before he down went though. Also, I really didn't realize Demar was doing THAT horrible!

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'trane is getting tired of shifting hope around giant steps Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 15,392 Representing:	sure man. nice try.

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Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,593 Representing:	Really? Man, you're crazy, do a head to head of each teams two guy, I think you might see that DD ain't looking so good. Hell, go to the "what they're saying" section.... other teams fans are starting to turn on the guy.

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merlin2049er is balling. Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 51 Representing:	Lol, he gave everyone but DeRozan passing grades? The team is 9 - 23, more players deserve failing grades.

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Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,593 Representing:	i basically exaggerate for effect. Most people with even a modicum of social skill can understand that, and actually appreciate its effect. Those who cannot.... well they need to work on that. Derozan is good right now, because he makes 2.5 million bucks.

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MikeToronto is Gam zeh ya'avor The Gatekeeper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,544 Representing:	And, also worth noting - by the end of the last century, this was the league of shooting guards. Boy, how the times have changed...

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Ball Don't Lie is praying Drummond doesnt haunt us forever. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 9,032 Representing:	Changed from isolation SGs to the best PG crop ever. When the rules changed and the zone was implimented, you stopped seeing the huge games by star SGs so often. Pick and roll basketball is where its at now.

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Bill Haverchuck is 100 grand in a rubber band The Mara sisters are hot! Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 8,930 Representing:	On the bright side, prior to tonight, Derozan's averaging 20 ppg over the last 8 games on 47% shooting. Tonight he has 16 points at halftime. Maybe he's quietly turning things around.