Chisholm: Lowry the 8th best PG in the NBA
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1. CHRIS PAUL - Los Angeles Clippers

PPG 19.8 APG 9.0 SPG 2.5 FG% .478 3P% .371 PER 27.09


2. RAJON RONDO - Boston Celtics

PPG 11.9 APG 11.7 SPG 1.8 FG% .448 3P% .238 PER 17.55



3. RUSSELL WESTBROOK - Oklahoma City Thunder

PPG 23.6 APG 5.5 SPG 1.7 FG% .457 3P% .316 PER 23.00


4. DERRICK ROSE - Chicago Bulls

PPG 21.8 APG 7.9 SPG 0.9 FG% .435 3P% .312 PER 23.10


5. TONY PARKER - San Antonio Spurs

PPG 18.3 APG 7.7 SPG 1.0 FG% .480 3P% .230 PER 22.04


6. STEVE NASH - Los Angeles Lakers

PPG 12.5 APG 10.7 SPG 0.6 FG% .532 3P% .390 PER 20.29


7. DERON WILLIAMS - Brooklyn Nets

PPG 21.0 APG 8.7 SPG 1.2 FG% .407 3P% .336 PER 20.34





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8. KYLE LOWRY - Toronto Raptors

PPG 14.3 APG 6.6 SPG 1.6 FG% .409 3P% .374 PER 18.89

Over the last two seasons, Lowry has gone from being one of the best backup guards in the NBA to simply being one of the best, period. He knocked the reigning Sixth Man of the Year out of his starting spot two years ago, and proceeded to become one the league’s pre-eminent stat-stuffing lead guards thereafter.

Lowry’s two greatest assets, though, are the two that are hardest to quantify with stats: defense and toughness. Lowry plays some of the most hard-nosed defense in the NBA, which makes him a perfect fit under his new coach, Dwane Casey, in Toronto, and his toughness makes him a natural - if uncompromising - leader both on and off the court. No team needed a guy like Lowry more than the Raptors, and at this point in his career the Raptors are the perfect fit for a player desperate as desperate for stability as Lowry is. His career should only get better from here.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Surprised that Lowry is ranked above Conley and Lawson... but whatever, they are still Tier-2 PG.

One thing I can argue though, is that Raps got one of the best PG rotating lineup for this season (Lowry-Jose, backed up by JL3)
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Lowry 8th best lol....Houston we have a problem....hes not even thr best pg on the Raptoes yet...has not shown squat yet for the Raptors. He could even turn out to be a bigger bust then we got O'neil Jose is our guy until Lowry can show he belongs in this league as a full time starter.
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Lowry 8th best lol....Houston we have a problem....hes not even thr best pg on the Raptoes yet...has not shown squat yet for the Raptors. He could even turn out to be a bigger bust then we got O'neil Jose is our guy until Lowry can show he belongs in this league as a full time starter.
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This Chisholm character needs to stop making articles....Lowry is not the 8th best Point Guuard in the NBA....he could be possibly a top 10 PG but he isn't there yet.
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This Chisholm character needs to stop making articles....Lowry is not the 8th best Point Guuard in the NBA....he could be possibly a top 10 PG but he isn't there yet.
Honestly he's probably roughly a top 10 PG:

Top 5 (the order depends on who you ask):
1. Paul
2. Rose
3. Williams
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook

6-9 (in no particular order):
Parker, Nash, Irving, Lawson

10-12 (again in no particular order):

Lowry, Wall, Curry


To me Lowry is on the cusp of the top 10 but when you get in the 8-12 range in rankings for the PG position it's extremely subjective.
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when you get in the 8-12 range in rankings for the PG position it's extremely subjective.
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You guys actually think Lawson is better than Lowry? Right now? Lowry was an all-star last year until he got hurt.
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conley and lawson are real nice players but lowry contributes more surely. Better on O and D than conley and MUCH better on D than lawson and i'd maybe, maybe give lawson the slight edge on O.

i mean, basically lowry is a pretty nice offensive player so you're gonna have to give me somebody way better offensively (not many of them about,) or give me somebody who can pretty much match his D and is a better offensive player, to knock lowry off that 8th spot.
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It's splitting hairs, but Conley has shown more than Lowry. I'd take him slightly over Lowry. They're both in the same tier along with many others. Good young players but I don't see any as game-changing, irreplaceable pieces.
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Lol @ Lawson and Conley being better than Lowry. You guys don't understand that Lowry was playing out of his fricken mind last year while he was hurt, then eventually had to sit out. He's up there for sure.
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It's splitting hairs, but Conley has shown more than Lowry. I'd take him slightly over Lowry. They're both in the same tier along with many others. Good young players but I don't see any as game-changing, irreplaceable pieces.
what is it that you really like about conley carp? I'll have to admit i haven't seen a hell of a lot of lowry but my rockets supporting friend was saying his D and tenaciousness was outstanding and his O was explosive, there were games where he was taking over the whole game. There was a streak of about 10-15 games where he was huge every game.

i've seen a fair bit of conley and he's solid. His D is pretty good, he's got good hands in that regard but when i read about lowry he's described as an elite defender, i don't think conley is that and on offense conley is pretty good but you can't rely on him. Probably can't rely on lowry either, he's not supposed to be that consistent but at least you can expect semi-regularly that he will have an awesome offensive night.
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Lol @ Lawson and Conley being better than Lowry. You guys don't understand that Lowry was playing out of his fricken mind last year while he was hurt, then eventually had to sit out. He's up there for sure.



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i think Chisholm made this list with the future in mind... meaning that in a few months when Lowry is killing it he can come back to this article and said 'i told you so'.
IMO, Lowry has one of the best situations out of the 2nd tier guys, and has the oppurtunity to ball out of his mind in Toronto. no other PG (2nd tier) has this kind of oppurtunity. for the majority of those guys you know what to expect and you know what you're gonna get... theres no big difference to last season and theres no change in scenery for any of them. but with Lowry, he's in a new and favorable situation, he can come in and explode - which is a high probability.
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Honestly he's probably roughly a top 10 PG:

Top 5 (the order depends on who you ask):
1. Paul
2. Rose
3. Williams
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook

6-9 (in no particular order):
Parker, Nash, Irving, Lawson

10-12 (again in no particular order):

Lowry, Wall, Curry


To me Lowry is on the cusp of the top 10 but when you get in the 8-12 range in rankings for the PG position it's extremely subjective.
So basically you agree with me that he's not #8 and that he could possibly be top 10 but not solidafied as a top 10 PG currently, and members on here agree with what you posted but yet I get negged twice,lol!?(Not saying you did) Is it because I dissed Chisolm? That part really doesn't matter but let's wait until he play's a few games as a Raptor first before we start deeming him this and that. If he's truly top 10 right now,then he'll either be an all star this season or lead Toronto to the playoffs,like all the other PG's listed 1-9(except the rookie Irving)had done last year.
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Lol @ Lawson and Conley being better than Lowry. You guys don't understand that Lowry was playing out of his fricken mind last year while he was hurt, then eventually had to sit out. He's up there for sure.
Have you seen Ty Lawson's plays from Playoff last year? This dude was tough. 19ppg, 6apg, 1SPG, 51.4% PPG.

Just from Regular season, I agree that Lowry was more "Explosive" than the other two before his injury. However, there is no point to argue about this if he cannot show such explosiveness again in Raptors..

By all means, let's wait til season begins and see how Lowry plays
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So basically you agree with me that he's not #8 and that he could possibly be top 10 but not solidafied as a top 10 PG currently, and members on here agree with what you posted but yet I get negged twice,lol!?(Not saying you did) Is it because I dissed Chisolm? That part really doesn't matter but let's wait until he play's a few games as a Raptor first before we start deeming him this and that. If he's truly top 10 right now,then he'll either be an all star this season or lead Toronto to the playoffs,like all the other PG's listed 1-9(except the rookie Irving)had done last year.
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what is it that you really like about conley carp? I'll have to admit i haven't seen a hell of a lot of lowry but my rockets supporting friend was saying his D and tenaciousness was outstanding and his O was explosive, there were games where he was taking over the whole game. There was a streak of about 10-15 games where he was huge every game.

i've seen a fair bit of conley and he's solid. His D is pretty good, he's got good hands in that regard but when i read about lowry he's described as an elite defender, i don't think conley is that and on offense conley is pretty good but you can't rely on him. Probably can't rely on lowry either, he's not supposed to be that consistent but at least you can expect semi-regularly that he will have an awesome offensive night.
Conley is bigger, plays as a more traditional PG, is steady, gets others involved without having to force his game. Defensively I think they're similar as Conley's size evens it out.... I just think you don't see as much from Conley because of how good Memphis is an all of the pieces they have. It's similar to how I think Gay is better than he's shown in Mem because he doesn't get spoonfed the ball like a guy on a losing team does... kind of like Bosh was here. We've also seen more from Conley for longer.

Not saying Lowry sucks, just I don't see how anyone can say one is hands above the other. It's more a preference thing.

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So basically you agree with me that he's not #8 and that he could possibly be top 10 but not solidafied as a top 10 PG currently, and members on here agree with what you posted but yet I get negged twice,lol!?(Not saying you did) Is it because I dissed Chisolm? That part really doesn't matter but let's wait until he play's a few games as a Raptor first before we start deeming him this and that. If he's truly top 10 right now,then he'll either be an all star this season or lead Toronto to the playoffs,like all the other PG's listed 1-9(except the rookie Irving)had done last year.
i was one of the 2 who "negged" your comment baileys. Nothing personal, i've seen plenty of good comments by you. I marked it down coz i disagreed that he's not top 8 and you implied he'd have to work hard to make top 10, when i think he already is. But mainly it was because you made a bold, definite statement and did nothing really to back it up.

i don't think you can say a guy has to make play-offs or be an all-star to be top 10. To make the play-offs a player needs to have a good team around him. D-will is an awesome PG but nets were nowhere close (of course he was an all-star tho.) Or you may not be "sexy" enough to be an all-star, rondo only made it in as a back-up last year!? So lowry in unfashionable toronto will probably not be an all-star next year.

doesn't mean he's not top 8-10 imo. He's probably top 3 on defense and there's not enough people who are considerably better than him offensively to make him drop that far down the list, again, imo.

he may not be as good next year we'll have to see. But i would tend to agree with others who said this is the perfect scenario for him, so he could be even better next year.
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Conley is bigger, plays as a more traditional PG, is steady, gets others involved without having to force his game. Defensively I think they're similar as Conley's size evens it out.... I just think you don't see as much from Conley because of how good Memphis is an all of the pieces they have. It's similar to how I think Gay is better than he's shown in Mem because he doesn't get spoonfed the ball like a guy on a losing team does... kind of like Bosh was here.

Not saying Lowry sucks, just I don't see how anyone can say one is hands above the other. It's more a preference thing.
fair points. I do agree there's a lot of splitting hairs on this debate.

i feel like conley's extra size is not as valuable as the pure tenacity of a great defender but that's debateable. I also think rockets were a pretty good team last year. They were in a great position to make play-offs before an awful last 6-8 games. So lowry had to fit in with a good team and be a facilitator.

if there's a worry i do have with lowry it's a couple of things you eluded to. He's not completely a "traitional" PG and i do much prefer that style of PG and i have read about and seen on the few occasions i've watched rockets that he can be guilty of forcing things, getting a bit "chucky."

but at least you know he will always be contributing and fighting the cause. Conley seems a bit meek at times to me, not aggressive enough. There's not much between them i spose but i'd take lowry and believe he's ahead of guys like conley, lawson and irving.
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