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Acie 11-24-2011 08:46 PM

Chisholm: Five reasons the Raptors need there to be a season
 
Chisholm: Five reasons the Raptors need there to be a season

'trane 11-24-2011 09:16 PM

nice article. he's spot-on.

carp 11-24-2011 09:40 PM

it's interesting to finally read an article that doesn't assume DD will inevitably be a superstar... the same can go for many on this team. It's important to see growth in between offseasons where players generally have time and energy to seriously improve their skill and body.

moremilk 11-24-2011 10:12 PM

he missed the biggest reason of them all, without a season, we don't get to have the worst record and we'll pick lower than we would if they play the games ... :)

one thing that really sucks is that they will almost certainly make it mandatory for college players to stay 2 years rather than 1, which would make next year's draft very uninteresting ... Hopefully they ease this in though, so they don't apply it right away.

pzabby 11-24-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk (Post 580768)
he missed the biggest reason of them all, without a season, we don't get to have the worst record and we'll pick lower than we would if they play the games ... :)

one thing that really sucks is that they will almost certainly make it mandatory for college players to stay 2 years rather than 1, which would make next year's draft very uninteresting ... Hopefully they ease this in though, so they don't apply it right away.

where did u hear they want to do this? what would be the motive for the owners>

LKeet6 11-25-2011 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 580766)
it's interesting to finally read an article that doesn't assume DD will inevitably be a superstar... the same can go for many on this team. It's important to see growth in between offseasons where players generally have time and energy to seriously improve their skill and body.

i agree we shouldn't get too carried away and expect things to happen but he did also say that one more season of similar improvement would make him close to stardom. I'm confident.

got to admit, didn't think of DD's contract in terms of the lockout! pretty dumb of me. What the hell do we offer him if there's no season!?

for me, no way a max deal, can't do surely? a 3 year deal (are bird years renewed on each new contract, or would the fact that it's the same team mean a continuation of that?) at around bargs' money?

Belsius 11-25-2011 07:59 AM

Good article. The PF position is definetly a head ache if all those PFs comming are that talented.

DanH 11-25-2011 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LKeet6 (Post 580782)
got to admit, didn't think of DD's contract in terms of the lockout! pretty dumb of me. What the hell do we offer him if there's no season!?

for me, no way a max deal, can't do surely? a 3 year deal (are bird years renewed on each new contract, or would the fact that it's the same team mean a continuation of that?) at around bargs' money?

Based on the previous CBA and what we know of the latest offer, the most we can offer DD starts at 25% of 58 million and stretches over 5 years (including his final year of his rookie salary) - as the designated rookie extension player - with 6.5% raises. So that amounts to:

2011-12: $2,625,000
2012-13: $3,344,250
Extension:
2013-14: $13,603,750
2014-15: $14,487,994
2015-16: $15,372,238
2016-17: $16,256,482

He would have to be extended prior to the start of the 2012-13 season. So we'd have to decide if he is worth this amount after either this shortened season or with only the info we have now.

No way he signs for less than 4 years. Would he sign for Bargs money? Would we go above that if we won't? All very good questions.

ollyaaa 11-25-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanH (Post 580788)
Based on the previous CBA and what we know of the latest offer, the most we can offer DD starts at 25% of 58 million and stretches over 5 years (including his final year of his rookie salary) - as the designated rookie extension player - with 6.5% raises. So that amounts to:

2011-12: $2,625,000
2012-13: $3,344,250
Extension:
2013-14: $13,603,750
2014-15: $14,487,994
2015-16: $15,372,238
2016-17: $16,256,482

He would have to be extended prior to the start of the 2012-13 season. So we'd have to decide if he is worth this amount after either this shortened season or with only the info we have now.

No way he signs for less than 4 years. Would he sign for Bargs money? Would we go above that if we won't? All very good questions.

Giving Demar that kind of money based on what we've seen so far is complete insanity. End of! (think he's a borderline all star after another season of development)

Beans 11-25-2011 10:13 AM

Great article. Thanks for posting it.

Metallikid 11-25-2011 10:16 AM

He won't be close to being a borderline All-Star yet; borderline All-Stars are LaMarcus Aldridge, Raymond Felton, Monta Ellis. DeMar isn't close to that level of skill.

MikeToronto 11-25-2011 10:43 AM

Felton a border-line All-Star?

carp 11-25-2011 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallikid (Post 580800)
He won't be close to being a borderline All-Star yet; borderline All-Stars are LaMarcus Aldridge, Raymond Felton, Monta Ellis. DeMar isn't close to that level of skill.

Aldridge is considered by some to be the biggest AS snub in the last decade....

carp 11-25-2011 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanH (Post 580788)
Based on the previous CBA and what we know of the latest offer, the most we can offer DD starts at 25% of 58 million and stretches over 5 years (including his final year of his rookie salary) - as the designated rookie extension player - with 6.5% raises. So that amounts to:

2011-12: $2,625,000
2012-13: $3,344,250
Extension:
2013-14: $13,603,750
2014-15: $14,487,994
2015-16: $15,372,238
2016-17: $16,256,482

He would have to be extended prior to the start of the 2012-13 season. So we'd have to decide if he is worth this amount after either this shortened season or with only the info we have now.

No way he signs for less than 4 years. Would he sign for Bargs money? Would we go above that if we won't? All very good questions.

So far, he hasn't earned a contract above what Bargs is getting.... but I think if we could get him on a similar deal we'd be better for it in the long run. Paying him max money before he's earned it would be treating him like we do every superstar or faux-star we've ever had.

5 guys making 10M is a better approach for this market until we've established a winning culture that attracts FA's.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 11-25-2011 11:21 AM

Huh?

1. Pay Demar based on last year seems simple enough. With lower cap he isn't moving easily probably.
2. Competition is healthy. Don't see that this matters if done this year or next.
3. The only reason there is a PF glut is becuase there is a lockout. I don't think they will see all potential from Davis in a shortened season. Especially if he's out of shape. Don't see it matters. We could finish 10th last ...
4. Any amnesty will be before the season. Has to be to meet the cap. This just doesn't matter. Jose will be bought out, Bargs will not. same as if there was no season.
5. Easily extended for a year, especially Casey. Silly.

moremilk 11-25-2011 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 580776)
where did u hear they want to do this? what would be the motive for the owners>

it was discussed in various articles, here's one I found on google:

The Black Sheep Of The Lockout: The NBA Draft & The Age Rule | Dime Magazine (dimemag.com) : Daily NBA News, NBA Trades, NBA Rumors, Basketball Videos, Sneakers

owners basically feel like two years in college will reduce risks in drafting unproven players.

DSWC 11-25-2011 02:56 PM

uhhhm... reason #6 (should be reason #1, actually)...

I MISS RAPTORS BASKETBALL!

jeffb 11-25-2011 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSWC (Post 580873)
uhhhm... reason #6 (should be reason #1, actually)...

I MISS RAPTORS BASKETBALL!

I couldn't agree more.

RAPMAN 11-25-2011 03:39 PM

I want the lockout. If the players get their way, there will be more super teams and the NBA will turn in Major League Baseball (The Have's & The Have Nots). I agree with David Stern with the intention of any team in the NBA "should have a shot winning the title." That is what makes the NFL exciting and baseball boring. Let the lockout proceed, and keep our boy Jonas ready for next year. It is not a players' or owners' league, the league belongs to the fans.

carp 11-25-2011 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAPMAN (Post 580880)
I want the lockout. If the players get their way, there will be more super teams and the NBA will turn in Major League Baseball (The Have's & The Have Nots). I agree with David Stern with the intention of any team in the NBA "should have a shot winning the title." That is what makes the NFL exciting and baseball boring. Let the lockout proceed, and keep our boy Jonas ready for next year. It is not a players' or owners' league, the league belongs to the fans.

As a fan, I refuse to settle for less than 10% of the BRI


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