CHISHOLM: DESPITE THE LOSS, RAPTORS HAD A GOOD GAME
Old 11-02-2009, 08:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Here is a viewpoint that most Raptors fans will hate: Sunday's game against Orlando was a good game for the Toronto Raptors.

I have a feeling that is going to need a bit of explanation.

In terms of pure basketball, the Raptors were average to poor over the course of the game. Their perimeter containment and coverage of the three-point line was unacceptably bad and the 14 offensive rebounds allowed was a serious blemish that begins at (but is not restricted to) starting centre Andrea Bargnani.

However, for these first few weeks of the season measuring the Raptors by pure basketball standards is unnecessarily myopic. They are a club trying to integrate several new players and ideologies and some amount of perspective has to be afforded to that end. Should that reality excuse the putrid first half of Sunday's game? No, it shouldn't, and if that effort carried through for the whole game there would be little positive to cull from this loss (which was the situation after the Memphis loss on Friday). However, what came after that awful first push allowed for a critical reexamination and will benefit the team down the road regardless of the L in record books.

Basically, this game provided several relevant items for the coaching staff to digest as it relates to on-court combinations and rotation patters, and it also offered several teaching points for the next couple of practices. Both are invaluable tools for a team looking to carve out an identity early in the season and could help make things better down the road.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I dunno to be blunt the Raptors just shot well and didn everything else average to below average.

Its something I'm afraid we will see many times in the season. Its pretty sad to shoot 55% and lose a basketball game. That just shouldn't happen
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I dunno to be blunt the Raptors just shot well and didn everything else average to below average.

Its something I'm afraid we will see many times in the season. Its pretty sad to shoot 55% and lose a basketball game. That just shouldn't happen
unless you're Golden State or PHX
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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unless you're Golden State or PHX
If you think running the floor and mass shooting can win you alot of basketball games in any situation sure become Gstate or the Suns. Although I'd think Nelly is already on vacation and the Suns are turning into a mess. I think most people know that its a balanced team that wins games and not just focussing on one aspect of the game. If your off on one of the facets you can rely on the other.

Thats just me though and I know its pretty traditional thinking.
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:37 AM   #5 (permalink)
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IMO defence is not a BIG deal. I mean this is a team that is going to score a lot of point on regular basis (let's say 110) so you have to limit opposing team to 109. So they need to improve just a little bit.
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IMO defence is not a BIG deal. I mean this is a team that is going to score a lot of point on regular basis (let's say 110) so you have to limit opposing team to 109. So they need to improve just a little bit.
That theory is ok for the regular season but when you enter the playoffs when everyone trys to be a Lock Down defender you'll realize how important defense is.
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Their defence was just so bad around the perimiter it was a joke....You can really see how badly we need Evans right now
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I'll be happy entering P.O., then will think about what to do.
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:47 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Their defence was just so bad around the perimiter it was a joke....You can really see how badly we need Evans right now
I dunno evans is a rotational player effective for maybe 15mpg he will help yes but won't be the answer. You really need everyoen to really buy into a defensive set. Also, you think Jay has to rethink his Defensive theory of "protecting the house"?
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IMO defence is not a BIG deal. I mean this is a team that is going to score a lot of point on regular basis (let's say 110) so you have to limit opposing team to 109. So they need to improve just a little bit.
Being able to score points, but then being blown out of the water when it comes to getting stops or rebounds will kill any team.

I'm not saying that the Raptors are a shitty team at all, i'm just saying that you can't discount defense like you are implying.

From what i've seen is that the Raptors and their coaches are definately trying to be a better interior defending team. They're not doing too well right now, but they're trying... so i'm inclined to give them more time to develop a good system.

Someone said it best in another thread, i think it was Ligeia, that it should be about finding a good balance between all aspects of the game.
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I dunno evans is a rotational player effective for maybe 15mpg he will help yes but won't be the answer. You really need everyoen to really buy into a defensive set. Also, you think Jay has to rethink his Defensive theory of "protecting the house"?
Na man, the amount of energy this guy bings into the game alone changes the teams attitude.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:24 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I was only saying that the team need to improve not that much to be passable on defence. I agree that is better to find a good balance between all aspect of the game but consider the players we have. this is a offense first team
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if the Raptor players have 4th grader intelligence but how come they always avoid going with the hot hand? Bargs steps up and hits three 3's after going many minutes without seeing the ball, and then Calderone, Bosh, Wright, and whoever else decide they are feeling it too... its absolutely the most difficult thing to watch...
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I'm not sure if the Raptor players have 4th grader intelligence but how come they always avoid going with the hot hand? Bargs steps up and hits three 3's after going many minutes without seeing the ball, and then Calderone, Bosh, Wright, and whoever else decide they are feeling it too... its absolutely the most difficult thing to watch...
Well 55% FG isn't nothing to sneeze at. I think the problems where mostly

1. Looking at Bosh Rebound ... and only bosh
2. Perimeter D

The topic says it all. Raptors Shot well (which they well always have to do to win) but they forgot about the other parts of the game.
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Well 55% FG isn't nothing to sneeze at. I think the problems where mostly

1. Looking at Bosh Rebound ... and only bosh
2. Perimeter D

The topic says it all. Raptors Shot well (which they well always have to do to win) but they forgot about the other parts of the game.
55% is good, but not when you're trading 2's for 3's. but im not just talking about one game.
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:21 PM   #16 (permalink)
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55% is good, but not when you're trading 2's for 3's. but im not just talking about one game.
well thats obvious and true but the Raptors problems go deeper than that. For the Raptors its about 2nd chance points, rebounding and overall defense. Things that they really need to do better with if they want to win some games
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:22 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I think Bargnani did an ok job on boxing howard. Yes, Dwight had 5 OR, which is one more than he had against Brook Lopez but 2 less than what he had against Dalembert.

All in all, we did a good job on howard, and had he shot more like howard and less like nash, things might have been different.
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:48 PM   #18 (permalink)
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they played pretty decent. i just hated seeing Orlando rain down all of those open 3s. reminded me of that Houston game.. well hopefully Bosh plays like he is for the rest of the season
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is this the mentality of this team? a loss is still a loss despite the 'good' game. is that the mentality of a team who wants to win?
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