Chisholm: Derozan should be coming off the bench
Old 07-18-2009, 01:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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DeRozan is simply not up to par defensively to start games against the league's best shooting guards, especially not on a lineup as defensively limited as the Raptors. That probably means that Antoine Wright has the inside track to the starting five, as he's defensively minded and won't take touches away from the big ticket starters, and DeRozan becomes the first guard off of the bench. This arrangement probably works in DeRozan's favour by easing his defensive assignments while increasing his offensive role and may actually be closer to replicating the Bargnani situation that Triano thinks.

For Douby the job is to make it impossible for the club to keep him out of the rotation, and to do that he'll have to be highly efficient at scoring the ball without disrupting the team offence to do it. If he could develop into a Jannero Pargo-esque weapon off of the bench, the Raptors will be all the stronger for it.

If Indiana doesn't match Toronto's offer sheet, and so far they have given no indication that they will, then Calderon and Jack will both be under contract as the team's point guard tandem for the next five years. Where would that leave Ukic? Toronto overpaid a bit in their attempt to land Jack, too, so they are serious about not giving Ukic meaningful minutes next year unless injury absolutely forces them to.

Colangelo has certainly been up front with his indifference to retaining Ukic, and surely his play in Summer League did little to inspire faith (it was Douby, after all, who had the ball in his hands down the stretch of games).

Then comes Patrick O'Bryant; the second-coming of Loren Woods...or Jerome Moiso...or Jelani McCoy...or Mamadou N'diaye - he of the seven-foot frame and intoxicating wingspan who actually can't play a lick of NBA basketball. O'Bryant played Vegas like he was Kris Humphries but, sigh, without the talent. He wanted to shoot long jumpers all day long and gave only a passing glance to defence or rebounding. He would run the floor like a bull on offensive leak-outs, but couldn't possibly be bothered to apply the same energy to getting back on defence. He showed no growth in cutting off paths to the basket, instead insisting on trying to block whomever he let into the lane. One could count the number of times be boxed-out on one hand and he showed absolutely no grit despite averaging 6.4 boards.

He's dead on about O'Bryant/Ukic.

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Old 07-18-2009, 01:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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ya that they both suck and should be on the 5th line. I cant believe that POB is still even on this team. Why are u putting trust into a guy that looks like he doesnt even enjoy watching basketball let alone play it
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I agree with pretty much everything there. DeRozan should be coming off the bench looking to score. Douby has far outplayed Ukic in the summer league.
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I still have my faith in Ukic, for the man has heart and is willing to improve in the gym.

But the POB bashing is a +10 for me.
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I still have my faith in Ukic, for the man has heart and is willing to improve in the gym.

But the POB bashing is a +10 for me.
They both should be traded as far as i'm concerned. But it doesn't really matter, they're gonna be DNP's all season anyway for the most part, unless a major injury occurs. And if that is the case, god help us all.
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let's not get overexcited about the players in the 10-15 spots on our roster
If we get rasho and jack, both POB and Roko would get minutes in blowouts only.
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No Mr. Chisholm. Put him on Kobe rather than Vujacic or Walton. First of all, he'll learn much more that way (also from being in the 1st team) and more importantly, it doesn't matter if Kobe burns him a couple of times in the 1st quarter. If he can't handle the guy on a given night, you just don't play him in the 4th. Which is logical anyway.

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Old 07-18-2009, 07:02 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If DeMar DeRozan comes into camp and proves he is the best SG then
why wait to ease him into the lineup. What is everybody afraid of.
He is young energetic and bound to make mistakes. Wright has more
experience but if I where Jay Triano I would give him the nod.
If he starts I think it would boost his confidence.
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Pretty much all rookies that become good or great were thrust into the starting lineup in a sin or swim method. I cant think of too many highly successful players that were coddled from the start.
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Young players like Ukic and OBryant are the kind of guys you want at the end of your bench. People say oh lets get rid of our veteran fodder to get younger on our bench, and we have that now and people just want to give them away for nothing.

I still like Ukics potential in the NBA. The easiest thing in the NBA for a player is to develop a jumper. If they have tools already coming into the league then they should be fine. Roko has quickness, size, athleticism, and ball handling ability. Theres no reason why he shouldnt be a good rotation player in the league if he puts his mind to it.

OBryant on the other hand is a lazy fuck but Id rather him on the end of the bench than some angry veteran demanding playing time who is finished. And thats my main point with vet vs young player. You dont want a possible situation in the locker room.
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Pretty much all rookies that become good or great were thrust into the starting lineup in a sin or swim method. I cant think of too many highly successful players that were coddled from the start.
McGrady?
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Kobe :P
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I still like Ukics potential in the NBA. The easiest thing in the NBA for a player is to develop a jumper. If they have tools already coming into the league then they should be fine. Roko has quickness, size, athleticism, and ball handling ability. Theres no reason why he shouldnt be a good rotation player in the league if he puts his mind to it.
You hate so many players....and you hitch your wagon to that horse? Seriously, i'll give you one reason he shouldn't be a rotation player, he sucks.
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Some would question the term of greatness along with McGrady.
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Young players like Ukic and OBryant are the kind of guys you want at the end of your bench. People say oh lets get rid of our veteran fodder to get younger on our bench, and we have that now and people just want to give them away for nothing.

I still like Ukics potential in the NBA. The easiest thing in the NBA for a player is to develop a jumper. If they have tools already coming into the league then they should be fine. Roko has quickness, size, athleticism, and ball handling ability. Theres no reason why he shouldnt be a good rotation player in the league if he puts his mind to it.

OBryant on the other hand is a lazy fuck but Id rather him on the end of the bench than some angry veteran demanding playing time who is finished. And thats my main point with vet vs young player. You dont want a possible situation in the locker room.
And BALLS! lol.... don't forget the balls. Go Roko.

and yeah, POB is a waste of effort..... the man just doesn't seem to care enough..
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And BALLS! lol.... don't forget the balls. Go Roko.

and yeah, POB is a waste of effort..... the man just doesn't seem to care enough..
POB is awful. As for Roko i'd be shocked if he's still here after this season going into 2010-11. He just isn't any good and won't get much playing time this season. He even stunk in summer league.
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The number 2 spot is open with Parker going to the Cavs. With DD having a strong showing in the summer league he will be in the running to start at the 2 opening nite. My guess is that he will be starting for us.
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I'm fine with those two as our 14th and 15th men.

I mean Ukic hit the game winner against San Antonio. and POB.. meh.. I think he's alright lol.
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DD should have to win the job outright in camp. They should not simply anoint him with the starting spot. If he is clearly the best option then absolutely, start him, don't hold the kid back. Just make sure he earns it and he's ready.
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The number 2 spot is open with Parker going to the Cavs. With DD having a strong showing in the summer league he will be in the running to start at the 2 opening nite. My guess is that he will be starting for us.
Actually the 2 spot is going to have Delfino/Wright/DD. My guess is that Delfino will start and Wright/DD will play the backup SG & SF spots (a bit of both for each).

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