Chisholm: DeMar DeRozan finally showing signs of life

HugoBoss · 01-03-2011, 04:22 PM

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Jay Triano's insistence that the ball find DeRozan and that he makes plays with it. Too often he'd been giving control of the offense to Barbosa or a two-man game between Johnson and Calderon, leaving DeRozan as a passive observer. Prior to last week, DeRozan had only taken 13 or more shots seven times in his career. Seven. The former ninth-overall pick and purported future of the team on the wing had only seven times taken 13 or more shots. By comparison, Terrence Williams, taken two spots after DeRozan, has twenty-two games with 13 or more shots, and he's played in 21 fewer games than DeRozan has.

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That is why the most impressive game of the week was not the 37-point outburst, but the 27-point follow-up on Sunday. Just about any NBA wing player can simply get hot and ride momentum to one huge scoring game. However, what do they do the next game? What do they do when they are in a different building, against a different defence, with their momentum gone and a different officiating crew? When DeRozan returned to Toronto after back-to-back 20-plus-point games against Orlando and Miami in November, he strung together a series of unremarkable follow-ups. People thought that maybe he'd had a breakthrough, only to see him fall back into old, passive patterns days later. On Sunday though, DeRozan stayed aggressive at home, took a season-high 25 shots, shook off the bevy of non-calls he felt went against him and poured-in what would have been a career-high had he not scored those 37 two nights earlier. Some argue that needing 25 shots to get 27 points devalues the effort, or that his five turnovers and the fact he was blocked three times says more about where he's at than his point total.
That would be an erroneous conclusion.

At this point in his career, the Raptors need to see DeRozan in attack mode more than anything, even if that means taking 25 shots to get 27 points. His willingness to take 25 shots is a greater sign of growth for him than his ability to drop 37 points. The Raptors need to see him willing to go out trying to apply what he's been practicing in real-game situations, and often that means taking shots. That's how you improve. Practice a move, try it in a game, see how you can refine the move with practice, try the refined move in a game, etc. If you don't try what you're practicing in games, why practice them at all? If DeRozan picks up charges trying those moves out, great! That means that you can now work on making those moves more efficient by figuring out the counter to a man stepping in front of him. If he gets blocked trying to get to the basket, fantastic! That means the coaching staff can show him what his tendency is and what kind of alterations can make the move more effective. Maybe he needs to re-direct the shot in mid-air. Maybe he needs to go into the body of the shot-blocker to take away his angle. Maybe he needs to lay the ball off to a cutter after attracting the defensive attention. Either way, he and the coaches will only learn how to improve those aspects of his game if he's constantly working on them on the court.

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He needs to show that he can string more than four positive outings together. He needs to show that he can stay aggressive when Bargnani returns, and then the coaching staff needs to figure out how to mesh both of their games to be more effective. However, last week showed a glimpse of the kind of player DeRozan can be: a slashing guard that keeps defences honest with an easy mid-range jump shot. That helps to figure out how to prioritize what he works on, namely, his first step and evasive moves around the basket. He needs an effective hop-step, he badly needs a Euro-step and Kobe's turnaround jumper would be killer – especially if he can use some of his elevation to see over his defender. All of a sudden the need for a three-point shot looks less desperate and would be better found with a companion wing player that hits from outside at a high percentage (in other words, not Kleiza), so that DeRozan is kept operating in areas of the floor where he's most effective.

Source: Chisholm: DeMar DeRozan finally showing signs of life

ha123 · 01-03-2011, 04:32 PM

I mentioned this before as well that this team is lacking shooters. Kleiza is not a shooter and just is a bench player. Weems and julian wright are energy players and not shooters. Barbosa is a good shooter but he is caught up in making too many plays and same with calderon.

We need to find a deadly three point shooter at the 3 spot if derozan is going to be our starting 2 guard in the future.

Bankiz · 01-03-2011, 04:53 PM

so we already have one 3's specialist : Peja. when he come back, i should say, if he come back, we would have a great combinaison here, if we follow what that article says.

ha123 · 01-03-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bankiz

so we already have one 3's specialist : Peja. when he come back, i should say, if he come back, we would have a great combinaison here, if we follow what that article says.

Peja will likley get traded by the deadline. Plus the guy is done and cannot contribute anymore to a young rebuilding team.

Chiggmo · 01-03-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ha123

Peja will likley get traded by the deadline. Plus the guy is done and cannot contribute anymore to a young rebuilding team.

Nor does he get playing time, making his specialty irrelevent.

carp · 01-03-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiggmo

Nor does he get playing time, making his specialty irrelevent.

before he was injured he was playing...

eazy187 · 01-03-2011, 06:08 PM

Peja is still a lights out 3 point shooter. Too bad he never really got to showcase his talent here.

Chiggmo · 01-03-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by carp

before he was injured he was playing...

Barely...

thought · 01-03-2011, 06:13 PM

i think it was leo who compared demar's recent play to that of t-mac just as the light was starting to come on right near the end of his time here. i don't think demar has the tools t-mac had but the drive is definitely there.

tettays · 01-03-2011, 08:01 PM

But now the Raps need Peja. Would they still trade him if they need him and his 3pt shot? That would be dumb to trade him unless it is mutually agreed that Peja is too old and he doesn't want to be here regardless of his skill.

Like if we had a 40 year old Ray Allen, would the Raps still trade him at the deadline regardless of what he's able to do?

All I'm saying is if Peja can still shoot, why doesn't Triano just make plays for him where he camps out at the 3pt line. Why wouldn't BC keep him?

FoldedLaundry · 01-03-2011, 08:02 PM

Sooner or later his 3 point shooting will come. When you have Bargs back, you can have a combo and or play with a 3 point shot. Bargs high post, Derozan drive kick back to Bargs or any other open shooter.

When Bargs comes back, Triano's main concern should be meshing DD's and Barg's play together just like Chrisholm said.

DD is getting better. He used to drive into people committing offensive fouls, but now he learned how to avoid them. He avoided Martin in that Houston game. If he refined his spin move, I would like to see that. But I hope he doesn't do anything outlandish though.

If Bargs can sustain his 20 pt average and DD putting up numbers close to that, our team would be that much better. Once Bayless and Davis get on track, we could be deadly. But now I'm starting to dream lol :P

FoldedLaundry · 01-03-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tettays

But now the Raps need Peja. Would they still trade him if they need him and his 3pt shot? That would be dumb to trade him unless it is mutually agreed that Peja is too old and he doesn't want to be here regardless of his skill.

Like if we had a 40 year old Ray Allen, would the Raps still trade him at the deadline regardless of what he's able to do?

All I'm saying is if Peja can still shoot, why doesn't Triano just make plays for him where he camps out at the 3pt line. Why wouldn't BC keep him?

Peja still has game, I agree with you on that. But his biggest asset right now would be his expiring contract. Trading or letting his contract expire Peja would give the Raps more flexibility for the offseason. It's also a good trading chip. Any team looking for a spot on shooter who also has an expiring contract would be interested in Peja. Too bad he's injured though

surreyjack · 01-03-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tettays

But now the Raps need Peja. Would they still trade him if they need him and his 3pt shot? That would be dumb to trade him unless it is mutually agreed that Peja is too old and he doesn't want to be here regardless of his skill.

Like if we had a 40 year old Ray Allen, would the Raps still trade him at the deadline regardless of what he's able to do?

All I'm saying is if Peja can still shoot, why doesn't Triano just make plays for him where he camps out at the 3pt line. Why wouldn't BC keep him?

Why do we want him? We're rebuilding, and I doubt he wants to be here. If we can use him to bring in a few young players that have potential, we win. We already have players that camp out behind the line (Klezia, Barbosa) we just need them to be more consistent which will come with time. Remember the Raptors don't win by winning games, they win by losing games which makes their chances of getting a lottery pick 10x better.

FoldedLaundry · 01-03-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by surreyjack

Remember the Raptors don't win by winning games, they win by losing games which makes their chances of getting a lottery pick 10x better.

:facepalm:

surreyjack · 01-03-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FoldedLaundry

:facepalm:

As stupid as it sounds its true. We have a pretty decent team right now, we just need a few more pieces. Nobody good is going to come here in FA, the draft is the only way we can bring in stars. Just look at OKC and the Clippers... They were in the same boat as us, now look at them. In the next 2, 3 years they will be two of the best teams in the league.

FoldedLaundry · 01-03-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by surreyjack

As stupid as it sounds its true. We have a pretty decent team right now, we just need a few more pieces. Nobody good is going to come here in FA, the draft is the only way we can bring in stars. Just look at OKC and the Clippers... They were in the same boat as us, now look at them. In the next 2, 3 years they will be two of the best teams in the league.

I just don't like the idea of tanking, that's just my viewpoint. Sorry if offended you by my post and I respect your opinion. I just think trading him would put us in a better position for the future.

surreyjack · 01-03-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FoldedLaundry

I just don't like the idea of tanking, that's just my viewpoint. Sorry if offended you by my post and I respect your opinion. I just think trading him would put us in a better position for the future.

Nah, no offense taken. I know it's just a discussion. I agree with you, trading him would put us in a better position for the future. He needs to hurry up on get back on the court so we can showcase him, along with Reggie now that we have seen how Davis and Dorsey are playing. Both of them got injured at the worst time possible.

tettays · 01-04-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FoldedLaundry

Peja still has game, I agree with you on that. But his biggest asset right now would be his expiring contract. Trading or letting his contract expire Peja would give the Raps more flexibility for the offseason. It's also a good trading chip. Any team looking for a spot on shooter who also has an expiring contract would be interested in Peja. Too bad he's injured though

That's what I'm trying to say. Expiring contract or not, if the Raps can use him (seeing they have horrible 3pt shooting right now) why would they trade him away. This of course if he's healthy. Like a "Sonny Weems" type situation where they thought he was just part of the deal to make the numbers work. Now Sonny's a rotation player.

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Originally Posted by surreyjack

Why do we want him? We're rebuilding, and I doubt he wants to be here. If we can use him to bring in a few young players that have potential, we win. We already have players that camp out behind the line (Klezia, Barbosa) we just need them to be more consistent which will come with time. Remember the Raptors don't win by winning games, they win by losing games which makes their chances of getting a lottery pick 10x better.

We're not gonna get much from Peja with respect to young players. We already have enough young guys to roll with in my opinion. The thing is, we're just gonna trade him away (knowing full well that he's a capable shooter) and get one or two new faces....then guess what? We're still lacking the 3pt shooting in our offense when we had him all along.

Unless we trade Peja for Kyle Korver or Stephen Curry, I say we keep him and try to put him in the offense (when healthy of course). And if Peja does well, it'll only increase his value.

Shifty.py · 01-04-2011, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tettays

put him in the offense

Theres no room for him in the offense.
The only full time spot up 3pt shooter is Bargs. I was quite impressed by Triano putting Peja in as Bargs backup, too bad he didn't have time to find out if it works out.

**Claudius** · 01-04-2011, 08:40 AM

Peja should not be used in any way, shape or form.

The guy is done and alot of fans seem to remember him from his tenure as a King. I thought he looked done in Indiana personally but meh.

He kills you on defence and really offence too as he doesn't have that foot speed or well, isn't fast enough to play the up tempo game we have right now.

As for the future, yes, finding a guy with Peja's former skill set (high iq, great range, decent first step etc) is key. If JR Smith decided to grow a brain, he'd be a really nice fit. It's another reason why OJ Mayo would be an ideal fit but, well, we have nothing to offer.

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01-03-2011, 04:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
ha123 is raps are back! Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 562 Representing:	I mentioned this before as well that this team is lacking shooters. Kleiza is not a shooter and just is a bench player. Weems and julian wright are energy players and not shooters. Barbosa is a good shooter but he is caught up in making too many plays and same with calderon. We need to find a deadly three point shooter at the 3 spot if derozan is going to be our starting 2 guard in the future.

01-03-2011, 04:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bankiz is making funny and strange dark trade in his mind !!! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,798 Representing:	so we already have one 3's specialist : Peja. when he come back, i should say, if he come back, we would have a great combinaison here, if we follow what that article says.

01-03-2011, 06:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
eazy187 is better than you Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 873 Representing:	Peja is still a lights out 3 point shooter. Too bad he never really got to showcase his talent here.

01-03-2011, 06:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
thought is looking for clunge Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,015 Representing:	i think it was leo who compared demar's recent play to that of t-mac just as the light was starting to come on right near the end of his time here. i don't think demar has the tools t-mac had but the drive is definitely there.

01-03-2011, 08:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
tettays is best, bro. Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 207 Representing:	But now the Raps need Peja. Would they still trade him if they need him and his 3pt shot? That would be dumb to trade him unless it is mutually agreed that Peja is too old and he doesn't want to be here regardless of his skill. Like if we had a 40 year old Ray Allen, would the Raps still trade him at the deadline regardless of what he's able to do? All I'm saying is if Peja can still shoot, why doesn't Triano just make plays for him where he camps out at the 3pt line. Why wouldn't BC keep him?

01-03-2011, 08:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
FoldedLaundry is back to fold laundry Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Mississauga Posts: 1,378 Representing:	Sooner or later his 3 point shooting will come. When you have Bargs back, you can have a combo and or play with a 3 point shot. Bargs high post, Derozan drive kick back to Bargs or any other open shooter. When Bargs comes back, Triano's main concern should be meshing DD's and Barg's play together just like Chrisholm said. DD is getting better. He used to drive into people committing offensive fouls, but now he learned how to avoid them. He avoided Martin in that Houston game. If he refined his spin move, I would like to see that. But I hope he doesn't do anything outlandish though. If Bargs can sustain his 20 pt average and DD putting up numbers close to that, our team would be that much better. Once Bayless and Davis get on track, we could be deadly. But now I'm starting to dream lol :P

01-04-2011, 08:40 AM	#20 (permalink)
Claudius is contemplating The Killing Joke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone Posts: 9,587 Representing:	Peja should not be used in any way, shape or form. The guy is done and alot of fans seem to remember him from his tenure as a King. I thought he looked done in Indiana personally but meh. He kills you on defence and really offence too as he doesn't have that foot speed or well, isn't fast enough to play the up tempo game we have right now. As for the future, yes, finding a guy with Peja's former skill set (high iq, great range, decent first step etc) is key. If JR Smith decided to grow a brain, he'd be a really nice fit. It's another reason why OJ Mayo would be an ideal fit but, well, we have nothing to offer.