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Old 04-07-2010, 11:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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In fact, I would say that is going to be the true test for the team with regards to retaining Bosh. Let's first assume that if Toronto misses the playoffs, he's gone. If the Raptors show up for a series with Cleveland and rolls over like they did against Orlando and (for the most part) against New jersey in previous years, Bosh will also almost certainly leave. If there is one characteristic evident in each of Raptors iterations he's played for it's a maddening lack of fight. If, however, the team shows up and plays like they have nothing to lose, much like Atlanta and Chicago did in the last two years against Boston, and make the series difficult for Cleveland, then that could go a long way towards compelling Bosh to stay. For him to re-up, he needs to see some fight from his teammates, he needs to have a reason to believe that better times would lie ahead, not more of the same laissez faire attitude that has defined too much of his Raptors' career. Some will say that won't be enough to compel him to re-sign, and that may be true, but keep in mind it isn't as though the team's in a position to snatch him away are exactly playoff-tested powerhouses; they too are middling clubs that are hoping to improve their fortunes in the years to come, just like the Raptors.

It's sort of amazing that with less than three months until Bosh officially terminates his contract there is no way to get a read on what his obvious choice is. However, like so many times in so many scenarios all throughout the year, the Raptors are in a position to force their will on a situation and to do so to their advantage. Tonight begins what could be the final stretch of Chris Bosh's frustrating Raptors career, yet amazingly, there really may be a chance that the team can play themselves into a Bosh renewal. All they have to do is finally define this season as a positive (or at least as close to a positive as they can muster at this point) and hope that it's enough to convince Bosh to elongate his career in Toronto.
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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raps won't even make the playoffs. its done
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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He will sign here or sign and trade with us... even if he signs with us, he can get max money and still ask for a trade later.... it's not like Colangelo wouldn't do it for him either, nobody wants a sulking star...
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Right now we have a snow balls chance in hell of watching the Raptors play themselves into a chris Bosh renewal. We need a new GM who understands winning is curcial and knows how to build a team not go on crazy expriments and watch it blow up, new coach who can motivate and challenge his team and knows wth he is doing, a new starting line up a whole new fresh start yet again...
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FUCK BOSH

We arent even sure were gonna make the playoffs with Bosh playing the best basketball of his career...and with the best talent round him ever since he was named the "corner stone"...

maybe Bosh should prove to us that hes a true leader and actually deserves a third of the cap....
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:01 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I wouldn't be so quick to color Chris gone. This is a pretty significant injury he has suffered, which may have concussion implications to boot. Teams might not be so eager to pay him anywhere near what the Raps are capable of paying him. Most teams will make it clear he is a secondary piece to the winning puzzle instead of the franchise tag he is used to. There are still alot of compelling reasons for Chris to want to stay in this situation.

There is also a possibility he may play out his contract and not opt out at all. Other teams may fear the magnitude of this injury, especially if there are concussion implications and they may not be as eager as they once were.

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FUCK BOSH

We arent even sure were gonna make the playoffs with Bosh playing the best basketball of his career...and with the best talent round him ever since he was named the "corner stone"...

maybe Bosh should prove to us that hes a true leader and actually deserves a third of the cap....
that would be impossible.
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I wouldn't be so quick to color Chris gone. This is a pretty significant injury he has suffered, which may have concussion implications to boot. Teams might not be so eager to pay him anywhere near what the Raps are capable of paying him. Most teams will make it clear he is a secondary piece to the winning puzzle instead of the franchise tag he is used to. There are still alot of compelling reasons for Chris to want to stay in this situation.
It's not like he blew out a knee.... but I agree there are reasons to get paid through us, even if it only means delaying a trade....
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Old 04-14-2010, 11:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Seemed like an appropriate place to post my thoughts

Bosh is more likely to go to a team that has a chance to contend.
Do you think Brian Colangelo has another leverage? Promise of going over the luxury tax limit?

Currently Atlanta, Milwaukee and Charlotte got into playoffs being under lux tax in the East
Portland and Oklahoma in West
All got several players in rookie contracts, thats how they pull it off. Other teams have to be heavily over the limit to be successful.

And while BC can be quite creative maneuvering under the limit, it can only go so far. Espessially after signing a max player (in addition to quite heavy Hedo, Jose and Andrea contracts), we are looking at another no bench situation like 2008-2009.

So to keep Bosh and make Raptors win, MLSE has to allow BC to go over the tax limit.

For Raptors that opens up a lot better roster possibilities. We can re-up Amir and Wright for example, buy out player contracts, trade for a good player with heavy salary, use full MLE etc.
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Bosh is going to Miami. If we're lucky we can work out a three-way deal to get something better than Beasley.
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Bosh is going to Miami. If we're lucky we can work out a three-way deal to get something better than Beasley.
If he goes to Miami, he goes as a FA, not as a S+T. No way Colangelo takes a beasley package for bosh.
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Old 04-14-2010, 12:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Fuck man, I'm so tired of kissing ass for Bosh. Have we been mediocre? Have we had lack of fight? Guess what, Bosh is our leader, our franchise player, and accountability starts with HIM. I understand he's been monster for us, but has he really been a leader?

Fuck all this play well against Cleveland and maybe Bosh will resign....we have one of the biggest nights in franchise history tonight! lets focus on that first.

P.S. I think Bosh has massive upside, but would two borderline all-star players at 10 mil each be more worth it than Bosh sucking up 20 mil?
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Old 04-14-2010, 12:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I wouldn't be so quick to color Chris gone. This is a pretty significant injury he has suffered, which may have concussion implications to boot. Teams might not be so eager to pay him anywhere near what the Raps are capable of paying him. Most teams will make it clear he is a secondary piece to the winning puzzle instead of the franchise tag he is used to. There are still alot of compelling reasons for Chris to want to stay in this situation.

There is also a possibility he may play out his contract and not opt out at all. Other teams may fear the magnitude of this injury, especially if there are concussion implications and they may not be as eager as they once were.
I dunno man, it seems like the whole NBA world is hyping it up as Wade, Lebron, Bosh. I feel like Bosh has a franchise-player perception around the league. Plus, people thinks he plays in Canada, and wants he comes to the States, he'll be so much better.
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Old 04-14-2010, 02:59 PM   #14 (permalink)
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My worst fear would be for this team to make the playoffs and play well for 1 or 2 games.... because it could very well convince BC to keep most of the roster intact in spite of everything that's happened.
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My worst fear would be for this team to make the playoffs and play well for 1 or 2 games.... because it could very well convince BC to keep most of the roster intact in spite of everything that's happened.
Most of the Roster will be the same next season no matter what happens.

Players coming back imo:

Jack
DD
Weems
Turk
Bargnani
Beli
Amir
Evans
Banks

Which leaves 4-6 roster spots to be filled, likely filled through Bosh S&T and Jose trade + possible draft pick(s).
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Why would you think that Jose is gone 100% while Hedo stays?
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Why would you think that Jose is gone 100% while Hedo stays?
Hedo is likely gonna be more difficult to move, and certainly they can't be packaged together, that would be one Fugly package to take for any team. Not only that, but i believe BC still thinks Turkoglu can do well here especially without Jose there to hog the ball when they're both on the floor.

As for adding Turkoglu in any Bosh S&T...i think it would severely diminish our return and we would likely have to take a contract that's as bad or worse if that's possible.
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I'm sorry.... but in light of everything that's happened this season I would take ANYONE in place of Hedo... anyone.

If I have to watch him for another season I may break somethiing.
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I'm sorry.... but in light of everything that's happened this season I would take ANYONE in place of Hedo... anyone.

If I have to watch him for another season I may break somethiing.
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Most of the Roster will be the same next season no matter what happens.

Players coming back imo:

Jack
DD
Weems
Turk
Bargnani
Beli
Amir
Evans
Banks

Which leaves 4-6 roster spots to be filled, likely filled through Bosh S&T and Jose trade + possible draft pick(s).
Why would anyone want Calderon at this point? Awful contract, awful play, injury prone, etc. Even if you trade Calderon would you get anything back that could remotely contribute to the team? I say Jarrett Jack is the more likely point guard to be traded.
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