Chisholm: Bargnani needs to shoot more 3's?
Old 03-20-2011, 06:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It's not that Bargnani is a waste of a player now that he can't hit threes with efficiency anymore. It just means that Bargnani's greatest strength has been negated - not by opposing defences - but by his own team. He's not a guy that is going to lead a winning team or be their predominant scorer, so his ability to throw up 20 ppg averages is sort of irrelevant. He needs to be an efficient second or third scorer behind some other star or pair of stars. When you think of Bargnani more as a complimentary player than as a featured player you begin to realize how foolish it was to work sublimate his greatest skill. Yes, rounding out his game was a necessity, but it should have been done in service of making his three-point shot as deadly as can be. Since pulling him inside the arc hasn't upped his rebounding or playmaking abilities, it stands to reason that he should be encouraged to work on bringing his three-point attack back up to the height of its power in anticipation of next season. All pulling him inside of the arc has done is encourage him to take more long-twos (overwhelmingly his preferred shot this season) and so the team may as well have him take an extra step or two back, play the percentages of the increased value of the three-point shot and bring in someone else who can put up 20 ppg with a little more efficiency than Bargnani has managed to do this season. Let Bargnani be the floor-spacer that he was meant to be so that people can get back to talking about a skill he is exceptional at as opposed to all of the areas were he's deficient. He's got 500 threes under his belt as a Raptor, the one meaningful statistical milestone his Raptor legacy has managed - perhaps the team should take a cue from that fact and put him back outside where he belongs.
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Old 03-20-2011, 06:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 03-20-2011, 06:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Funny how a #1 overall pick is now being looked at as a mandatory 2nd or 3rd option in order to start winning.

I do give him credit though, for atleast cutting down drastically on his three point shooting. However, like the article states, he's just shooting long twos now.
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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As a guy coming off the bench I'd have not so much of a problem with him shooting threes and spotting up around the freethrow line.

I don't see the 3 being such a tremendous strength. When it is on then yes, it makes a difference. But he's always been as inconsistent there as with anything else. Does the chance of him becoming Channing Fry really get anyone excited?
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He usually makes sense. But he's out to lunch with most of this article.
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Agree ... he's out to lunch.
Bargs is at his best when he is driving to the basket and getting fouled. He needs to continue to work on getting his field goal % up by working around the basket. He is missing so many easy shots around the basket. That's what he should work on.
I would also sit his ass down when he doesn't show aggression ... he's quite useless when he stands around.
Bargs can be a good 2nd or 3rd option, but I would prefer him as the 6th man on a good team.
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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He usually makes sense. But he's out to lunch with most of this article.
He makes quite a bit of sense. He points out that Bargnani is not and never will be the all-around player that many of us dreamed of him becoming. If that's the case then the next step is to define a proper role for him. I think he goes too far in suggesting that Andrea has to become Channing Frye essentially, but he's entirely correct in trying to properly examine Bargnani's true value. The only thing I don't understand is why he doesn't spell out the need for Andrea to come off the bench - since everything he points out screams out for that kind of role.
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Why would Bargnani need to become like Channing Frye? Hes already like Channing Frye.
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:39 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Chisholm "Bargs needs to chuck more".

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Old 03-20-2011, 03:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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He makes quite a bit of sense. He points out that Bargnani is not and never will be the all-around player that many of us dreamed of him becoming. If that's the case then the next step is to define a proper role for him. I think he goes too far in suggesting that Andrea has to become Channing Frye essentially, but he's entirely correct in trying to properly examine Bargnani's true value. The only thing I don't understand is why he doesn't spell out the need for Andrea to come off the bench - since everything he points out screams out for that kind of role.
who will you have play centre? i agree on another team he is a bench player but for this team right now hes our only centre worth anything at all. by centre i mean 7-footer. i dont know about you but id rather see Bargnani chucking threes than ajinca
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He needs to attack the basket more and get called to the free throw line more.
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I thought that Bargs need to rebound more.... but hey, it's just me... I am not the one who is paid for writing shit in my articles!
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I thought that Bargs need to rebound more.... but hey, it's just me... I am not the one who is paid for writing shit in my articles!
everyone knows Bargs needs to rebound more.. this article makes note of tht too when it talks about how people discuss his deficiancies..chrisholm is just saying he will never be a decent rebounder so work on his one attribute that is rare in this league, big man shooter

although i dont agree with chrisholm
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everyone knows Bargs needs to rebound more.. this article makes note of tht too when it talks about how people discuss his deficiancies..chrisholm is just saying he will never be a decent rebounder so work on his one attribute that is rare in this league, big man shooter

although i dont agree with chrisholm
It's nice to see that you did read the article.... even though we disagree on AB's value. While I see the writer's point, I still feel it's too early to give up on AB as a player that is still improving in many areas.
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It's nice to see that you did read the article.... even though we disagree on AB's value. While I see the writer's point, I still feel it's too early to give up on AB as a player that is still improving in many areas.
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side note: i dont think we disagree on his value. i do believe we still have to give barnani time. i just say that we need to bring in help for him. split the time at centre between him and a defensive one. i prefer a vet, to help bargnani. his offensive skillset is phenomenal at times. he just needs to work on his decision making and with the help of that centre, work on the defensive end
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It's nice to see that you did read the article.... even though we disagree on AB's value. While I see the writer's point, I still feel it's too early to give up on AB as a player that is still improving in many areas.
Name the many areas he's improving in. His numbers are down in blocks, rebounding and his help D is still non existent. The only thing he's improved is his ppg, but that was expected since he's getting 5+ more shots per game. His shooting is really no better either.

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Name the many areas he's improving in. His numbers are down in blocks, rebounding and his help D is still non existent. The only thing he's improved is his ppg, but that was expected since he's getting 5+ more shots per game. His shooting is really no better either.
If you watch the games, beyond the stats, you can tell he's improving in various areas. Some just choose to focus on stats....

He has a unique skillset that he is still learning how to use... guy is 25, 7' and healthy.
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To be honest, I don't see much improvements.

I barely ever see him posting up, and when I do he takes a fade away jumper. He rarely gets to the line. Defensively, he did not take any steps forward at all.

Minus the first month, jumpers are the main focus of his offence.
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If you watch the games, beyond the stats, you can tell he's improving in various areas. Some just choose to focus on stats....

He has a unique skillset that he is still learning how to use... guy is 25, 7' and healthy.
absolutely with ya. so let's trade Amir, Ed Davis, and Reggie. those guys are way too soft in my opinion. gets bruised quite easily even on average contact. and when they get injured it takes them way too long get back on their feet; what a waste on the payroll. let's keep this 1 guy who stays healthy (as you pointed out).
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absolutely with ya. so let's trade Amir, Ed Davis, and Reggie. those guys are way too soft in my opinion. gets bruised quite easily even on average contact. and when they get injured it takes them way too long get back on their feet; what a waste on the payroll. let's keep this 1 guy who stays healthy (as you pointed out).
I should have expected such a comment from you.... you didn't take time to comprehend my entire post but your inability to contextualize is impressive enough. Where did I say anything about Davis, Amir and Reggie? Good on you for keeping the blinders on.

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