Chicago Herald: Jose or T.J. to the Bulls?
Old 05-24-2008, 12:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone think BC would be crazy enough to deal away both Jose and Ford? I'm not implying both to Chicago, but say BC deal's Jose to the Bulls and we get Hinrich in return and then BC can deal Ford elsewhere to fill other voids. You think that's a possibility or I'm talking "crazy talk" fellas?

I wouldn't upset if we had Hinrich instead of Jose and Ford, but that's just me.

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Toronto figures to move either Jose Calderon or, more likely, T.J. Ford this summer. It probably would take Kirk Hinrich or Ben Gordon to pry Calderon away from the Raptors and even then the salaries may not match without the Bulls taking an extra player.

The Bulls might be able to get Ford in exchange for Andres Nocioni, who would seem to fit well on Toronto's roster. Drew Gooden for Ford also could work, though that would mean the Bulls taking on roughly $18 million in salary commitments since Gooden is in the final year of his contract while Ford has three seasons left.

Ford has played very well when healthy, but he missed the entire 2004-05 season with a neck injury, then skipped another 31 games last year after taking a hard fall caused by a flagrant foul from Atlanta's Al Horford.
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Old 05-24-2008, 12:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Calderon and TJ for Hinrich and Gordon?
I don't know man..Gordon's too streaky and Hinrich makes me sick after this year's performance. Especially for 11M+
I'll take Nocioni for Ford but I don't wanna go watch court cuts and see him getting dunked on everyday.

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Old 05-24-2008, 12:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Calderon and TJ for Hinrich and Gordon?
I don't know man..Gordon's too streaky and Hinrich makes me sick after this year's performance. Especially for 11M+
I'll take Nocioni for Ford but I don't wanna go watch court cuts and see him getting dunked on everyday.
No, that's not what the article is stating. Not both of them involved in a trade to Chicago, just one or the other. Read it over again.
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I know. It says they would either need Gordon or Hinrich if they want Calderon but I wouldn't trade Ford OR Calderon for neither of them is what I meant.
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Old 05-24-2008, 02:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Well one or the other is my theory. We ain't trading both of them. And I'm feeling a Hinrich comeback for next season so he might be a thought. Ben Gordon is better than Hinrich, and will be better next season as well, and we could get him for cheap as well seeing as his salary is $4.8M
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I've felt for some time that if both are being shopped to any extent then why not trade both if you can bring back the goods? It all comes down to what is out there and what can be had. Make room for Devin Harris.
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Well one or the other is my theory. We ain't trading both of them. And I'm feeling a Hinrich comeback for next season so he might be a thought. Ben Gordon is better than Hinrich, and will be better next season as well, and we could get him for cheap as well seeing as his salary is $4.8M
First of all, Rose+Hinrich=Calderon+Ford confict. Second, Gordon needs an extension and he turned down a 45M 5 year extension.(I think)
I say go for Rose though. Take advantage of Miami
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Gordon will be a one-and-done here..
he wants a HUGE payday.
he turned down an extension offer last year that was big... he is asking too much and wont stick around here. i'll pass on him.
and hinrich worries me... he played terrible last season... ive never liked him. bulls fans hate him.
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:07 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Well, at least the Raptors wouldn't have to worry about Gordon getting hot against them. I wouldn't be a fan of seeing this happen either. Nocioni does get dunked on a lot (why does that man always play so close to the basket?), Hinrich just goes into this wonderland where he's lost far too often and Gordon is just plain streaky. Pass.
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Nocioni got lucky when Moon finger-rolled it instead of putting Nocioni in another poster.
I wouldn't mind putting Ford up for Nocioni but that's still doesn't resolve our front court problems..Nocioni is Argentine no? Delfino needs a friend!
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Do the Bulls really want a point guard though, if they're picking Rose? That's why they want to trade Hinrich.

Otherwise I would suggest trading Ford (+ Parker or something) for Hinrich, and then shipping Calderon for a scoring wing to another team. Hinrich/scoring wing/Bosh isn't bad at all, especially if you consider that fear in the back of your mind that Calderon was playing way over his head in that all-star like December-February stretch and that his value might be higher than it'll ever be right now.
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Old 05-25-2008, 12:13 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Really the biggest reason I don't to trade Calderon, is the presumption that if we did, TJ would be given the keys to the castle for the next 10 years. I hate TJ as much as raptors123, I would puke if it was revealed he was our guy.

However, if it was a different PG... I would be ok. Sell high on Caldy, get a scorer. This trade both thing is a pretty clever idea.
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Old 05-25-2008, 12:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Trading with this team, and not getting there draft pick seems like spinning our wheels, and i don't think we have anything that would pry away pick #2, other than Bosh, or Bargs (no chance BC trades him). Hinrich is less athletic than Calderon, would be a useless addition, and Gordan's a bench player, too streaky, doesn't match up well at 2 guard, both these players wont make a huge impact...nociani is like garbo, but with better offensive game, i like him but do we really need another sub-par athlete?...BC please make a move with POR, MIA, or LAC instead
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I mean, why would Chicago deal for a PG when they can get their PG of the next 10 years in the draft in Rose? If they select Beasley, I guess they could deal Deng for a big man they sorely need....and trade Nocioni for Ford. I guess there are ways of thinking outside the box.

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I think the idea is that Beasley could give them that interior scorer they've been looking for, since the Elton Brand days, sign a veteran C or just play Noah, and Gray, and trade for a PG, possibly Ford...You think Calderon and Nesterovic for Deng, Thomas, and there 09 First rounder would fly?
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I think the idea is that Beasley could give them that interior scorer they've been looking for, since the Elton Brand days, sign a veteran C or just play Noah, and Gray, and trade for a PG, possibly Ford...You think Calderon and Nesterovic for Deng, Thomas, and there 09 First rounder would fly?
No way Paxson does this. If it were offered to BC, he should take it and run.
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I think the idea is that Beasley could give them that interior scorer they've been looking for, since the Elton Brand days, sign a veteran C or just play Noah, and Gray, and trade for a PG, possibly Ford...You think Calderon and Nesterovic for Deng, Thomas, and there 09 First rounder would fly?

Are you crazy? Nesterovic is just attractive because he's an expiring contract (ok, he plays some decent D at the 5 position), but as recently as last year chicago refused to trade Deng for Kobe! They're not selling him PLUS a pick for anything less than a player of Bosh's caliber. Pipe dream my friend.

Plus, recall they have almost as much invested in Thomas as we do in Bargnani: they got him with the #2 pick after trading LaMarcus Aldridge for him, so you're basically saying they are trading Deng, their #2 pick from a couple years ago and this year's pick for Calderon.
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Deng for a Bosh-caliber type of player? do you really see him as the primary scorer on any good team? He's an effective secondary threat, but without someone around him can he carry a team? has he proven to be a clutch performer? Deng is a piece, a rather good one, id pull any deal involving Calderon, rasho, our 09/08 pick, but im sure CHI sees a front court of Deng, Beasley and Noah as a foundation
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