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Acie 05-26-2011 12:08 PM

The Cheap Seats: The Raptors need an infusion of veterans
 
From Tim Chisholm's other blog for MSN.

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The Raptors need veterans. That may not be a sexy perspective to take these days, not with visions of youth and bouncy athletes dominating the imaginations of Raptors’ fans from coast-to-coast, but the fact remains that this team needs veterans.

Keep in mind that right now the bulk of Toronto’s core is 23-years-old or younger. DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis, Amir Johnson, James Johnson and Jerryd Bayless are all exceptionally young players, and whatever rookie is selected next month (be it Brandon Knight, 19, Kemba Walker, 21, or Enes Kanter, 19) isn’t going to make that group any older. Taken together, that’s six members of the team’s expected rotation next season, and in the NBA the average rotation is no more than eight or nine deep. Bringing in veterans doesn’t mean bumping any of those guys down on the food chain, it means that they’d have a stronger support system behind them than Alexis Ajinca, Julian Wright and Joey Dorsey.

Young players tend to be long on talent but short on knowing how to use that talent. Winning in the NBA comes down to so much more than who can jump the highest or shoot the furthest. On the court it takes an understanding of positioning, of angles, of spacing, of when to help and when not to, of when crash the offensive boards and when to get back in transition. It’s about knowing how to react in every possible scenario without thinking, it’s the kind of stuff that comes from a career’s worth of playing time, which obviously these young Raptors don’t have on their sides.

That’s why teams tend to blend their young players with veteran talent. It doesn’t have to be an even split, nor do those veterans even have to have been All-Stars or Hall-of-Fame talents. Last year Scott Skiles spoke glowingly about Kurt Thomas and the transformative effect he had on a young Milwaukee locker room. Russell Westbrook and the Thunder were frequently cited in their effusive praise of Kevin Ollie and the leadership that he brought to an inexperienced Thunder roster. Heck, even Reggie Evans proved to be an unexpected leader in Toronto, so much so that head coach Jay Triano wants him back in the fold despite the team already having three highly-paid power forwards on the roster in front of him. These kinds of leaders know how to impart their career’s worth of lessons onto young disciples, they provide a voice in their ears that is easier to relate to than that of their coach. They’re out on the floor with them, they see what each other sees, and that provides them with an implicit trust that no coach can ever truly replicate, no matter how much they are respected by their troops.

LINK - The Cheap Seats

jeffb 05-26-2011 12:25 PM

I agree. I want us to get a veteran Center and a vet wing..... Matt Barnes type.

Northern Neighbour 05-26-2011 12:27 PM

The Raptors definitely could use some veterans. Kurt Thomas' name was the first one to come to mind. Another useful veteran would be James Posey, who only has one year left on his contract and would provide some perimeter scoring and defence along with leadership.

fk24 05-26-2011 12:32 PM

You need talent first. Then acquire vets.

Dutches 05-26-2011 12:42 PM

I agree. Reggie needs to be brought back, but another vet wouldn't hurt either, preferably a wing player. Barbosa's been good for us but he's coming off injury and he's not really a leader from what I've seen.

DonMughal 05-26-2011 12:48 PM

Just as long as they're not incredibly washed up.

James Posey and Kurt Thomas are personalities I want on this team.

'trane 05-26-2011 12:51 PM

this part from the jack armstrong article acie posted in the bargnani thread is spot-on as well:

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5. Game 4 Bulls @ Miami:

I'm watching the game and continually asking myself: How do the Toronto Raptors get to the point as an organization where they can compete on an incredibly competitive stage/environment like this in the future? The defence, passion, detail and overall focus/intensity of this game were off the charts at times.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I like some of the young pieces that the Raptors have and with cap space and the fifth pick they should add a few more solid pieces and improve. Beyond talent though, what I witnessed from the Heat and Bulls, was a mentality and approach that the Raps need to improve dramatically if they want to make those difficult yet critical next steps. The bigger games and bigger stage demand a mind-set and level of grit/toughness that this team needs to expand. It's good to see what your successful competition is doing-- it gives you a standard to shoot for.


carp 05-26-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal (Post 542844)
Just as long as they're not incredibly washed up.

James Posey and Kurt Thomas are personalities I want on this team.

not sure posey can play still.... his attitude would be good, but not sure he'd be happy here. I think some vets that have some baggage with a chip on their shoulder could be good.... Dalembert comes to mind. He can play and I think has an unfair reputation.

Northern Neighbour 05-26-2011 01:07 PM

Dalembert, though, isn't a leader and he's not been on a winning team. He would still be a good addition from talent-wise.

Other guys that would be good influences are Antonio McDyess and Ben Wallace. Chauncey Billups would be great, too, but he's not leaving NY any time soon.

RAPMAN 05-26-2011 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 542845)
this part from the jack armstrong article acie posted in the bargnani thread is spot-on as well:

Both teams are also well-coached. We know Thibodeau's background, but Spolestra has had more than 10 years experience with Pat Riley. Carlisle has had great defensive background. These head coaches has made their team commit to defense, something that is an after thought with the Raps. Very disappointed with Mike Brown not being available.

10gizzle 05-26-2011 02:04 PM

What about Battier?

Perfect vet to be our starting 3 for a year or two.

Bill Haverchuck 05-26-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 10gizzle (Post 542853)
What about Battier?

Perfect vet to be our starting 3 for a year or two.

I like! Great success! He is a free agent, too.

However, it would be tough to get him. His services will be in high demand, I suspect. And, if the Raps did manage to land Battier, I would hope he doesn't take too many minutes away from James Johnson.

Bankiz 05-26-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 542856)
I like! Great success! He is a free agent, too.

However, it would be tough to get him. His services will be in high demand, I suspect. And, if the Raps did manage to land Battier, I would hope he doesn't take too many minutes away from James Johnson.

all the problem is here.
how have vet who can lead and teach, and accept to be backup or play less minutes than the young inexperimented ?

but yes battier would be good as a sf here !

jeffb 05-26-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 542856)
I like! Great success! He is a free agent, too.

However, it would be tough to get him. His services will be in high demand, I suspect. And, if the Raps did manage to land Battier, I would hope he doesn't take too many minutes away from James Johnson.

It would be up to Johnson to step up his game so his minutes wouldn't be too effected.

Bill Haverchuck 05-26-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 542862)
It would be up to Johnson to step up his game so his minutes wouldn't be too effected.

I agree, Jeffy. I was reffering more to the possibility that Battier would want a guaranteed role if he chose to come to Toronto, either starting or getting 24+ minutes. In that type of situation, Johnson's minutes are cut no matter what he does.

Anyways, I really think he'll chose to stay in Memphis or go to another contender. Maybe there is a slim chance we could land Battier by giving him a little extra dough. He was making a fairly substantial amount for a bench player, so I bet other teams will expect him to take a pay cut.

jeffb 05-26-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 542863)
I agree, Jeffy. I was reffering more to the possibility that Battier would want a guaranteed role if he chose to come to Toronto, either starting or getting 24+ minutes. In that type of situation, Johnson's minutes are cut no matter what he does.

Anyways, I really think he'll chose to stay in Memphis or go to another contender. Maybe there is a slim chance we could land Battier by giving him a little extra dough. He was making a fairly substantial amount for a bench player, so I bet other teams will expect him to take a pay cut.

Give Battier 24 min, that wouldn't bother me. I see where you're coming from though.

DonMughal 05-26-2011 03:35 PM

If Battier doesn't work, then I'm down for another crack at Matt Barnes. He seemed happy to sign here. Barnes and JJ at SF, atleast until Kleiza comes back. I have a love for tough guys signing here.

jeffb 05-26-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal (Post 542875)
If Battier doesn't work, then I'm down for another crack at Matt Barnes. He seemed happy to sign here. Barnes and JJ at SF, atleast until Kleiza comes back. I have a love for tough guys signing here.

I agree, and with the BS going on in LA, who knows? Maybe he'll decline his PO for a 2-3yr deal here.

Northern Neighbour 05-26-2011 03:55 PM

Battier is a very good suggestion, but I also think he'll want to sign with a contender. If the Lakers deal Artest (which wouldn't surprise me), LA would be a great landing spot. Chicago could also be interested in Battier to play the 2-spot, and that would be another good fit.

Barmes would be nice. Same with Pietrus. Both are tough defenders and can shoot the deep ball.

What about Tayshaun Prince? His best days are behind him, but he would be a good bench player and his defence is still above average.

Dark Knight 05-26-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Neighbour (Post 542884)
Battier is a very good suggestion, but I also think he'll want to sign with a contender. If the Lakers deal Artest (which wouldn't surprise me), LA would be a great landing spot. Chicago could also be interested in Battier to play the 2-spot, and that would be another good fit.

Barmes would be nice. Same with Pietrus. Both are tough defenders and can shoot the deep ball.

What about Tayshaun Prince? His best days are behind him, but he would be a good bench player and his defence is still above average.

Tayshaun Prince would be great, but for some reason I can see him winding up in San Antonio or Boston.


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