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Old 06-26-2012, 06:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Bobcats " Trading down makes sense "
Link: 2012 NBA draft -- Charlotte Bobcats considering trading down from No. 2 pick - ESPN

Rarely does a team ever want to trade down,especially a top 5 pick. It's not exactly #1 overall but #2 can bring in a rookie who may help the team immediately. If they wanted to trade the pick,it would be more appealing in a package if you're trying to acquire a talented SF or PG.

It would take a sacrifice,but I think Toronto needs to cough up a few assests and jump 6 spots while the opportunity is available.

I'd propose something like this or based on the two 1st's (one protected) idea

To Charlotte:
2012 1st Round Pick (#8 overall)
2013 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected #1-#3)
2012 2nd Round Pick (#56 overall) or James Johnson
*Jose Calderon

To Toronto:
2012 1st Round Pick (#2 overall)
*D.J. Augustine (and sign him)

Toronto could just offer the two 1st's and maybe James Johnson for #2 overall even, draft whoever they feel suits their strategy best. I think it helps Charlotte too. What do you all think? Pursue or don't pursue? What should they do if they acquire the #2 overall pick?

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Old 06-26-2012, 07:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i think we should also be considering trading down, possibly in one of the big trades that has been discussed, AI, Gay, batum etc. We also lose Jose in that trade who could be involved in the big trade. Although augustin is a decent player. Not a terrible trade, just not my 1st choice. I just also don't think #2 is gonna get us something massively better than #8.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
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i think we should also be considering trading down, possibly in one of the big trades that has been discussed, AI, Gay, batum etc. We also lose Jose in that trade who could be involved in the big trade. Although augustin is a decent player. Not a terrible trade, just not my 1st choice. I just also don't think #2 is gonna get us something massively better than #8.
You do have a point,Toronto may need Jose if they don't get to sign or draft a PG. I also like the idea of trading down into the teens while acquiring a player. There's plenty of options, I think it'll be very hard to drop the ball in this situation for the Raptors.
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You do have a point,Toronto may need Jose if they don't get to sign or draft a PG. I also like the idea of trading down into the teens while acquiring a player. There's plenty of options, I think it'll be very hard to drop the ball in this situation for the Raptors.

agreed. We're in a good position. I honestly think hardly any of the options that have been discussed on this board would make us worse, no matter how much some people argue it will! It's about which option will improve us most. I think trading up to #2 is an "inefficient" way of improving, will cost us too much.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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they're probably shopping down because after the #1 pick the rest of the choices are a little difficult to rank, they probably don't want the responsibility of picking the next player after anthony davis

and the bobcats are terrible right now, they probably want a lower pick that still gets them a good player and it'll probably come with another veteran player, so they can get 2 players to improve their team in 1 shot
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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if we cannot get either AI or Gay or Batum...i think we should talk to who ever team gets barns...he is the only player that fits our need perfectly (SF)....maybe in exchange to our #8 + JJ
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The Bobcats " Trading down makes sense "
Link: 2012 NBA draft -- Charlotte Bobcats considering trading down from No. 2 pick - ESPN

Rarely does a team ever want to trade down,especially a top 5 pick. It's not exactly #1 overall but #2 can bring in a rookie who may help the team immediately. If they wanted to trade the pick,it would be more appealing in a package if you're trying to acquire a talented SF or PG.

It would take a sacrifice,but I think Toronto needs to cough up a few assests and jump 6 spots while the opportunity is available.

I'd propose something like this or based on the two 1st's (one protected) idea

To Charlotte:
2012 1st Round Pick (#8 overall)
2013 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected #1-#3)
2012 2nd Round Pick (#56 overall) or James Johnson
*Jose Calderon

To Toronto:
2012 1st Round Pick (#2 overall)
*D.J. Augustine (and sign him)

Toronto could just offer the two 1st's and maybe James Johnson for #2 overall even, draft whoever they feel suits their strategy best. I think it helps Charlotte too. What do you all think? Pursue or don't pursue? What should they do if they acquire the #2 overall pick?
i agree

we need to consolidate, i agree on mortgaging next years pick to help us get a quality player now instead of maybe next year

also bc seems convinced he wants to push this year for the playoffs so even if we miss it still going to be a 10 to 14 pick we wont miss that

obviously i want bradley beal, instead of Calderon i would put in ed davis, or even go with a

8th pick, demar derozan, for the 2nd pick overall bradley beal
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:41 AM   #11 (permalink)
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charlotte wants the team who wants to trade up to take tyrus thomas off there hands thats 27 millions dollars over the next three years

obviously if they want to include tyrus thomas it would take next years first round pick off the table, which would make more sense for the Raptors in the long term

if the took kleiza back the other way it was make more sense for hte raptors, Raptors could use there buyout on thomas, Raptors would lose 19 million dollars but sometimes its worth steping up and pulling your wallet out for quality that is beal or mkg

new deal should be

2nd pick overall, tyrus thomas for kleiza,8th pick, early 2nd round pick

raptors would be taking on 19 million for picking up thomas,not a bad deal for a team trying to cut cost

raptors owners need to step up take on some salary to get a quality player, buyout for thomas taht wont count against our cap, plus we'll still have money to spend on free agency
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JV for a second pick
Actually that can work...JV would've been the 2nd overall pick in this draft reportedly anyway.

The way I see it, big men take long to develop so it makes no sense having two rookie projects at Center between Valancunias and possibly Drummond. It would come down to who has a more promising future. Its hard to say now but Drummond has the advantage size-wise.

I'd take Barnes or Beal with the #2 and then Lillard or Drummond with #8th (if available). If Both Lillard and Drummond were gone then your screwed sort of lol.

Just a thought, I know guys are in love with JV and wouldn't even trade him for Dwight Howard.
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charlotte wants the team who wants to trade up to take tyrus thomas off there hands thats 27 millions dollars over the next three years

obviously if they want to include tyrus thomas it would take next years first round pick off the table, which would make more sense for the Raptors in the long term

if the took kleiza back the other way it was make more sense for hte raptors, Raptors could use there buyout on thomas, Raptors would lose 19 million dollars but sometimes its worth steping up and pulling your wallet out for quality that is beal or mkg

new deal should be

2nd pick overall, tyrus thomas for kleiza,8th pick, early 2nd round pick

raptors would be taking on 19 million for picking up thomas,not a bad deal for a team trying to cut cost

raptors owners need to step up take on some salary to get a quality player, buyout for thomas taht wont count against our cap, plus we'll still have money to spend on free agency
Makes sense and it could work. Tyrus,a former #2 overall may actually play well in Toronto. Charlotte is a bad situation,just awful but they may turn it around.
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Wizards are interested in trading their pick too.
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Makes sense and it could work. Tyrus,a former #2 overall may actually play well in Toronto. Charlotte is a bad situation,just awful but they may turn it around.
Tyrus sucks... he's just not skilled enough, but carry on!

I'd think trying to move up to #2 would be too costly....
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Actually that can work...JV would've been the 2nd overall pick in this draft reportedly anyway.

The way I see it, big men take long to develop so it makes no sense having two rookie projects at Center between Valancunias and possibly Drummond. It would come down to who has a more promising future. Its hard to say now but Drummond has the advantage size-wise.

I'd take Barnes or Beal with the #2 and then Lillard or Drummond with #8th (if available). If Both Lillard and Drummond were gone then your screwed sort of lol.

Just a thought, I know guys are in love with JV and wouldn't even trade him for Dwight Howard.
Let's do your idea, trade JV for Dwight, then watch Dwight walk next year.

As far as Drummond and JV go, Drummond does have the size advantage but JV is much more skilled and motivated. I like both but trading JV to get the #2 and take a guard while not being guaranteed a big later is foolish.
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I'd think trying to move up to #2 would be too costly....
Yes it would. Charlotte needs more assets and they'll try to get everything and anything possible when dealing that pick.
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