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Old 06-23-2010, 11:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Not a good job of drafting?

VC, T-Mac, Stoudamire, Bosh, Camby, CV, Bargnani

Lets face it, since the 2003 draft it has been pretty bad but essentially the but the first 8-10 years were pretty good for us draft wise imo.
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He has a point.

Especially if you look at who could've been drafted.

Also, Chris Jefferies, Aleksander Radojevic, Michael Bradley and Haffa were all 1st round selections in the vaunted first 10 years you speak of. How many are in the NBA now? How many 2nd round picks have actually panned out?
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He has a point.

Especially if you look at who could've been drafted.

I agree, but alot of teams can say that for the most part. But i agree we've really F'ed up some picks. With Haffa being the biggest one, since Iguodala went one pick after him along with Josh Smith at 17! :facepalm:
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Old 06-23-2010, 12:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'd call the Raps drafting record a mediocre one, as in "about league average" over the years of their existence. They do not compare well to the stellar drafters like Utah, San Antonio, Portland, even Lakers, but they are definitely not the worst. And you have to rive props to Thomas - the man sure knows his talent.

The interview was quite good - Barkley actually makes a lot of sense every time he is not trying very hard to sound funny. With his recent quotes about looking to become a GM, I think we should expect this new "toned down" version of him to appear more and more often.
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Old 06-23-2010, 12:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Not a good job of drafting?

VC, T-Mac, Stoudamire, Bosh, Camby, CV, Bargnani

Lets face it, since the 2003 draft it has been pretty bad but essentially the but the first 8-10 years were pretty good for us draft wise imo.
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He has a point.

Especially if you look at who could've been drafted.

Also, Chris Jefferies, Aleksander Radojevic, Michael Bradley and Haffa were all 1st round selections in the vaunted first 10 years you speak of. How many are in the NBA now? How many 2nd round picks have actually panned out?
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I'd call the Raps drafting record a mediocre one, as in "about league average" over the years of their existence. They do not compare well to the stellar drafters like Utah, San Antonio, Portland, even Lakers, but they are definitely not the worst. And you have to rive props to Thomas - the man sure knows his talent.

The interview was quite good - Barkley actually makes a lot of sense every time he is not trying very hard to sound funny. With his recent quotes about looking to become a GM, I think we should expect this new "toned down" version of him to appear more and more often.
My bullshit opinion:

2003 and earlier, I think the Raps were above average. If Toronto had been able to keep the pieces together, they would have been contendors for a championship. They did a good job of drafting for position and BPA.

2004 until now, the Raps have made poor decisions and missed opportunities. Yes, some of it is just hindsight, but other teams did see opportunities and they jumped on them.

Let's review the fail:

2004 - Iggy was projected to top 5 (even top 3 by some) and slipped...Babcock passed him up. I don't want to debate who is blamed for that pick, the relevant point is that the ORGANIZATION fucked up.

2005 - Epic missed opportunity. Utah traded the 6th and 27th picks along with a future 1st rounder to Portland for the 3rd pick. Both Chris Paul and Deron Williams were available. Toronto had the 7th pick and the 16th pick. Toronto was probably going to suck more than Utah in 2006, so their future 2006 pick would have been more attractive than Utah's. Yes, you can say it's hindsight, but two stud PGs were available and the Raps needed a PG. Utah moved up and we didn't. Call it bad luck, a lack of vision, me using hindsight to nitpick....whatver. The Jazz made the deal and got a stud. We could have paired Bosh with D-Will or CP3. Again, the relevant point is the ORGANIZATION fucked up. Instead of making Utah's move, we drafted a second PF (redundant) and then missed out on Granger.

And several good rotation players were available in the 2nd round, too. Babcock picked Ukic, even though Lou Williams, Andre Blatche, Amir Johnson, Ryan Gomes, and Gortat were still up for grabs. Call it bad luck, poor scouting, whatever you want. Although not as costly, it was another missed opportunity.

2006 - This selection is tough. I don't criticize BC for it but I can see why a guy like Barkley would think it's stupid. Some might argue that we should have drafted Aldrige and then traded him. Would Aldridge have netted someting valuable? Who knows? The 2004 and 2005 drafts bother me more.

2007 - The Raps had no pick. It had been traded away by Grunwald in the Lemon Murray deal. The Raps were supposed to pick at the 22 spot. There were PLENTY of good rotation players available. Between #22 and #31, the following players were selected: Dudley, Wilson Chandler, Rudy Fernandez, Aaron Brooks, Afflalo, Splitter (still a good prospect), and Carl Landry.

2008 - BC traded the pick. It may be a couple of years before we know if that was really costly. Hibbert looks to be developing into a decent player. If JO had been 80% of his former self, then it wouldn't have been too bad a trade, but of course we all know how it turned out. JO is not the stopper he once was.

2009 - I don't think we can judge this pick yet. It's possible that Jennings and Collison could have made a more immediate impact....maybe. But you have to wonder if they would have been filling the same roles on the Raptors. If Demar's handles improve and he keeps working on his mid-range game, he could be a 15 ppg player. Only time will tell.

So, since 2003, overall, as an organization, the Raps get a poor grade for draft day moves. But maybe 2009 was the beginning of things turning around a bit. *fingers crossed* .

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Old 06-23-2010, 02:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
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He has a point.

Especially if you look at who could've been drafted.

Also, Chris Jefferies, Aleksander Radojevic, Michael Bradley and Haffa were all 1st round selections in the vaunted first 10 years you speak of. How many are in the NBA now? How many 2nd round picks have actually panned out?
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bleh bleh.

Barkley is right. Toronto has made good picks, but rarely anything even close when it was in the top few.

Good teams do well at higher numbers. Toronto has sucked at it.

Period.
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My bullshit opinion:

2003 and earlier, I think the Raps were above average. If Toronto had been able to keep the pieces together, they would have been contendors for a championship. They did a good job of drafting for position and BPA.

2004 until now, the Raps have made poor decisions and missed opportunities. Yes, some of it is just hindsight, but other teams did see opportunities and they jumped on them.

Let's review the fail:

2004 - Iggy was projected to top 5 (even top 3 by some) and slipped...Babcock passed him up. I don't want to debate who is blamed for that pick, the relevant point is that the ORGANIZATION fucked up.

2005 - Epic missed opportunity. Utah traded the 6th and 27th picks along with a future 1st rounder to Portland for the 3rd pick. Both Chris Paul and Deron Williams were available. Toronto had the 7th pick and the 16th pick. Toronto was probably going to suck more than Utah in 2006, so their future 2006 pick would have been more attractive than Utah's. Yes, you can say it's hindsight, but two stud PGs were available and the Raps needed a PG. Utah moved up and we didn't. Call it bad luck, a lack of vision, me using hindsight to nitpick....whatver. The Jazz made the deal and got a stud. We could have paired Bosh with D-Will or CP3. Again, the relevant point is the ORGANIZATION fucked up. Instead of making Utah's move, we drafted a second PF (redundant) and then missed out on Granger.

And several good rotation players were available in the 2nd round, too. Babcock picked Ukic, even though Lou Williams, Andre Blatche, Amir Johnson, Ryan Gomes, and Gortat were still up for grabs. Call it bad luck, poor scouting, whatever you want. Although not as costly, it was another missed opportunity.

2006 - This selection is tough. I don't criticize BC for it but I can see why a guy like Barkley would think it's stupid. Some might argue that we should have drafted Aldrige and then traded him. Would Aldridge have netted someting valuable? Who knows? The 2004 and 2005 drafts bother me more.

2007 - The Raps had no pick. It had been traded away by Grunwald in the Lemon Murray deal. The Raps were supposed to pick at the 22 spot. There were PLENTY of good rotation players available. Between #22 and #31, the following players were selected: Dudley, Wilson Chandler, Rudy Fernandez, Aaron Brooks, Afflalo, Splitter (still a good prospect), and Carl Landry.

2008 - BC traded the pick. It may be a couple of years before we know if that was really costly. Hibbert looks to be developing into a decent player. If JO had been 80% of his former self, then it wouldn't have been too bad a trade, but of course we all know how it turned out. JO is not the stopper he once was.

2009 - I don't think we can judge this pick yet. It's possible that Jennings and Collison could have made a more immediate impact....maybe. But you have to wonder if they would have been filling the same roles on the Raptors. If Demar's handles improve and he keeps working on his mid-range game, he could be a 15 ppg player. Only time will tell.

So, since 2003, overall, as an organization, the Raps get a poor grade for draft day moves. But maybe 2009 was the beginning of things turning around a bit. *fingers crossed* .
Wow nice read ACGM!!
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:47 AM   #11 (permalink)
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there is only two picks we really messed up badly, aruajo over igoudola, and graham over granger otherwise other picks have been a reach any ways in the second round,

bargnani is the best in the top 5 picks, otherwise the two best players from that class are Roy and Rondo, Alderidge is comparable but i prefer bargs
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:51 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I say, if this BC thing don't work out, we hire Barkley as our GM

... joke...sort of.
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Old 06-24-2010, 04:10 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Great 'bullshit' opinion ArmChairGM!
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