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Old 12-05-2008, 10:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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On soundoff TNT earlier tonight All three guys said they didn't understand why Mitchell was fired.Webber said it was Mitchell's fault for coaching too good in 06-07 when the team over achieved.They were basically saying they are basically a .500 team and weren't going to be much better under any other coach (i agree)."Why is everyone thinking they should be better?"

They then ripped into Jose Calderon, calling him a very good backup PG but that he can't compete against the elite PG's in the league??? Wow!!

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Old 12-05-2008, 10:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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LMAO...
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lol, Jose Cuervo
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Right now they're almost bang on in regards to Jose. I know his injury is slowing him down but he's not doing any favours for himself because his jump shots have been off and he hasn't really been creating for others.
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Right now they're almost bang on in regards to Jose. I know his injury is slowing him down but he's not doing any favours for himself because his jump shots have been off and he hasn't really been creating for others.
I disagree! He's the least of this team's problems. He's second in the league in assists and if he has a good game tonight he'll be averaging a double double and he's not 100%.

I do agree about Mitchell being fired though.Maybe a change was needed, but this team isn't much better then a .500 team.
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Look beyond the stats right now Jeff. Tell me, why does Jose belong in the upper echelon of PG's? The teams offence and defence begins and ends with the PG. He's an extension of the coach and if we're blaming Smitch we also have to blame Jose.
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Look beyond the stats right now Jeff. Tell me, why does Jose belong in the upper echelon of PG's? The teams offence and defence begins and ends with the PG. He's an extension of the coach and if we're blaming Smitch we also have to blame Jose.
Diddn't Billups eat him alive in the denver game?
He is still slow for his position, maybe he would excell under Jerry Sloane, ala Stockton, but as far as dribble penetration goes, ukic can get in there he just has to fix his kick out.
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Diddn't Billups eat him alive in the denver game?
He is still slow for his position, maybe he would excell under Jerry Sloane, ala Stockton, but as far as dribble penetration goes, ukic can get in there he just has to fix his kick out.
I agree completely.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:55 PM   #9 (permalink)
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he is not a backup PG, he just plays the worst defense in probably the whole NBA at the PG position
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still - barkley is sam's best friend, so you can't really expect him to criticize or even agree with the move. Jose does suck right now - but I hope he's slowed down by something, I don't remember him being abused so badly last season, and he played almost 3 full months as a starter, so the whole backup thing doesn't hold water.
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watching jose tonight against a "slower" deron williams, it's like five on four, he's completely toying with jose. deron's elite. jose, not so much. he's having difficulty getting into the lane, and sure, he'll get ya 10 assists, but his defensive shittyness mean he's pretty much going to put other guys in bad situation.
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Look beyond the stats right now Jeff. Tell me, why does Jose belong in the upper echelon of PG's? The teams offence and defence begins and ends with the PG. He's an extension of the coach and if we're blaming Smitch we also have to blame Jose.

You can't just ignore 2nd in the league in assist/to ratio, 2nd in the league in assists.He is getting everybody involved, the main issue is the team is shooting poorly and are not agressive as a whole.He's weak on D but offensively he's one of the best in the league. And if JK/AP/AB were hitting more shots he's probably averaging 12 ast/per.
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he's definitely not one of the best in the league offensively. he can't get in the paint. a point guard that can't get in the paint in this league is useless in the overall success of the team. the thing that irks me the most about jose is that he isn't a risktaker. i think he'd develop into a better pg if he took more chances.
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his offense sucks too right now, but it's probably because he wastes so much energy on defense (in vain unfortunately). The problem is that his defense right now is absolutely horrible, and there's no chance for this team if this is his best.
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he's definitely not one of the best in the league offensively. he can't get in the paint. a point guard that can't get in the paint in this league is useless in the overall success of the team. the thing that irks me the most about jose is that he isn't a risktaker. i think he'd develop into a better pg if he took more chances.
he can get into the paint - he's just not ultra fast like TJ. The main assets are his shooting and his ability to deliver the pass right where the player needs it, not like TK who used to pass at their feet, or behind the shooter.
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Calderon looks awful right now thats for sure but he definetly deserves the benefit of the doubt since he was pretty good in the first games of the season before the injury.
Kenny Smith just enjoys pissing fans off when hes saying that he should not start. You can say you think he is not goo d enough to be a top PG but thinking he should not start in the 50% of teams in this league that have crappy PGs is ridiculous.

The person that worries me more in this team is Bosh. The "Im going to be an MVP" talk and not bringing it when it counts, and looking at his teammates when they commit mistakes when he is incapable himself to perform even decently on defense is pretty sad.
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Calderon looks awful right now thats for sure but he definetly deserves the benefit of the doubt since he was pretty good in the first games of the season before the injury.
Kenny Smith just enjoys pissing fans off when hes saying that he should not start. You can say you think he is not goo d enough to be a top PG but thinking he should not start in the 50% of teams in this league that have crappy PGs is ridiculous.

The person that worries me more in this team is Bosh. The "Im going to be an MVP" talk and not bringing it when it counts, and looking at his teammates when they commit mistakes when he is incapable himself to perform even decently on defense is pretty sad.
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He talks about himself as a MVP player and he doesn't even pretend to defend
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Yeah, it's always someone. First it was Sam who has been pretty good for this team but Colangelo fired him in order to not look bad. Now it's Calderon and Bosh. Calderon is not elite PG and neither was TJ. Two of them together? Bang on. Bosh is not an MVP but has the potential.

But none of you want to admit that Brian Colangelo fucked this team up with average or less moves trough the years here. None of you will admit that he's failed to fix any major hole this team has. Bringing in JO doesn't count because he's just created another hole at the bench with that move and exposed Calderon and his flaws. The guy is satisfied with Jamario Moon, Joey Graham, Kapono and Parker being his starters at the SG/SF. COME ON! None of these guys are even close to that. And he fires a coach who had a .500 record with that abomination of a roster.

Fuck it. It ain't worth it. I'm merely a Raptor fan now because of some really good internet friends I've made trough the years it was worth it being a fan. Hello to them and fuck you to Brian Colangelo.
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Jose is 100 percent according to Colangelo. Why the excuses? He has not panned out, and the worst part is that he did not prove himself last season, other than playing great as a backup - there is no arguing that - and having some nice games as a starter. Otherwise he labored at both ends way too much. I won't say I didn't hope that he would rise to the occasion, or that the changes that JO might bring defensively could make it work. But now to just trot out numbers and make the case that he's the least of our problems is just pitiful.

Let me put it this way - if Triano really wants to change things on both ends he has no choice but to start Ukic.

And my sentiments are very much like elT's, particularly after hearing the ridiculous garbage that Colangelo has spewed over the last couple of days. He wants the team to look like they are having more fun. He thinks Parker is plenty athletic enough. He thinks the roster is just splendido. All they need is "just a little more flow offensively". I think he's done nothing but maneuver this team to where he can only blow it up now.

I have no major issue with the firing of Sam per se, but the timing is pathetic. After Sam won COTY I was the first to say that he was going to have to prove his mettle in the playoffs, and he didn't do that, and I could have accepted the need to make a change in light of that. But instead BC works with Mitchell through the offseason, has the team go through training camp and the early part of the season, and then finds it necessary to throw Triano into the fire as some kind of solution. How does that not fall on him, and how is that any kind of a mark of a solid franchise with a future, let alone an above .500 team at this moment in time?
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Chris Webber is a joke as a T.V Guy, Does anyone remember early in the year the Raptors were his surprise team and now Charles is right and the Raptors are just a .500 team? Seems Chris is confused maybe if some raptor boosters slipped him some case he will like us again.....I say that as a Michigan Fan too. What is with my Wolverines attacking my Raptors. Who is next to turn his back on Raptors Chuck, Jalen now Chris. Damn Michigan guys what is wrong with u.
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