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Old 11-08-2012, 01:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Casey said he's considering shaking up the starting lineup because of the bad starts. They've been going on since pre-season
why do i have a feeling this means JV and no one else
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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why do i have a feeling this means JV and no one else
Clearly its Landry.....Kleiza will start when he returns Saturday
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think its Amir for Val for sure & maybe Anderson for Fields.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Calderon
DeRozan
Kleiza
Johnson
Valanciunas

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Old 11-08-2012, 06:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Calderon Derozan Kleiza Bargnani Gray

That would be our winning 5 at this moment
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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It's all about finding who can make up for Andrea's ballwatching. This team is starting to turn me off completely.

I want to see real improvement on defense. That's going to take more than cosmetic changes. Let's see that accountability we've heard so much about.
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It's all about finding who can make up for Andrea's ballwatching. This team is starting to turn me off completely.

I want to see real improvement on defense. That's going to take more than cosmetic changes. Let's see that accountability we've heard so much about.
This. The defense is very disappointing. I think there was a thread in the pre-season about our regression on defense. It is clearly evident in the first few games that the defensive system is not working, especially early on in the game. I am noticing too much blow-bys and too little help. Andrea Bargnani, who was supposed to have taken a step last season, is not showing the same effort as he did a year ago. Either that or NBA scouts have learned how to beat up our defensive system.

Imo, Casey should have never emphasized offense in training camp and just worked on defense.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:21 AM   #8 (permalink)
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When Lowry's back, I'd think a tone setting lineup o start....

Lowry
DD
Anderson
Bargnani
Amir

Ross and JV have some learning to do but can still get minutes on the 2nd unit. Fields has lost his confidence. He is not doing anything with authority.

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Calderon
Fields
Kleiza
Ed
JV
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:36 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The problem is that we're playing with 2 centers on defense. Andrea needs to play his natural position - off the bench.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:46 AM   #10 (permalink)
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It's all about finding who can make up for Andrea's ballwatching. This team is starting to turn me off completely.

I want to see real improvement on defense. That's going to take more than cosmetic changes. Let's see that accountability we've heard so much about.
This team will do everything it can to coddle and cover up for Bargnani as long as he is here.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:50 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I still think JV starts

Lowry/Calderon
Derozan/Ross/Fields
Anderson/Kleiza/Fields
Bargnani/Davis/Amir/Acy
Valanciunas/Amir/Gray

Man I wish Colangelo went after Mayo hard this offseason instead of pitching a deal for Nash and signing Fields. A summer of Mayo + Lowry would have been a lot better than this crapfest. I still have a feeling that somehow we'll end up signing Pietrus.


Anyway, I'll take Anderson's defense in the starting lineup with being the 4th option on offense and have three scorers off the bench (Calderon, Ross, Kleiza). This teams has severely missed Linas Kleiza so far which goes to show how shit that position is for us.

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:54 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I still think JV starts.
Agreed. He's only played 5 NBA games - give him a shot.

...as for Landry, there's gotta be a spot way down the end of the bench (where Casey has Ross sitting right now)
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:24 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Probably could have had Lowry/Mayo/DD as our 1-2-3. Instead we have Fields. LOL
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:45 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Probably could have had Lowry/Mayo/DD as our 1-2-3. Instead we have Fields. LOL

Don't know if was even possible since he really wanted to be in Dallas but I would absolutely have loved if we could have got him. Rather overpay for him than Fields.

Lowry/ Calderon/ Lucas
Mayo/ Ross/ Anderson
Derozan/ Kleiza/ Anderson
Bargnani/ Davis/ Acy
Valanciunas/ Amir/ Gray

If Derozan can't cut it at SF (mainly on D) you still have your assets (ie: DD, Ross, Calderon's expiring, Davis) to try and go after that SF, Gay/Deng etc.....

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Clearly its Landry.....Kleiza will start when he returns Saturday
Has to be Landry, I mean he took 4 shots (1of4) and no FT, in 19 min. So not only is he afraid to shoot he won't even drive and create contact. I don't recall ever being this disappointed in a Raps' player in quite awhile. I dont mind LK starting...AA's hustle has earned him some time IMO, if LK is not quite ready to put starter minutes in.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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please no Anderson. Not in starting not anywhere. He's a D-leaguer

Dominic McGuire is who you want. He will guard the better wing player and provide help defense for Bargs. Dude is talented and deserves it.
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Has to be Landry, I mean he took 4 shots (1of4) and no FT, in 19 min. So not only is he afraid to shoot he won't even drive and create contact. I don't recall ever being this disappointed in a Raps' player in quite awhile. I dont mind LK starting...AA's hustle has earned him some time IMO, if LK is not quite ready to put starter minutes in.
I don't think Anderson will lose anything by starting but he's been consistent off the bench that I'd be afraid of not being able to replace his production. Maybe Mcguire may get the nod if Kleiza isn't ready. I definitely think Fields is the odd man out,and the decision is just. Toronto is getting off to slow starts and he's a large reason why. I hate to pile on him but he has been playing horribly. I'd be tempted to slide DD to the 3 and start Ross but it may be a bit early for the rook who hasn't earned it anymore than Fields did through preseason
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please no Anderson. Not in starting not anywhere. He's a D-leaguer

Dominic McGuire is who you want. He will guard the better wing player and provide help defense for Bargs. Dude is talented and deserves it.
Anderson is a D-Leaguer but McGuire is talented? You're out to lunch.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:42 AM   #19 (permalink)
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take shot away from Anderson and you are left with nothing. Actually you are left with a chucker. Who is taking minutes away form Ross.
Dominic on the other hand had everything but the shot, and apparently hes got midrange going now.
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I don't understand why Landry was gifted the starting spot to begin with.
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