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Old 12-09-2012, 02:21 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Jose Calderon at 26 years old vs Kyle Lowry at 26 years old

Calderon - better FG % shooter, better 3 pt %shooter. better FT % shooter,better playmaker assists to turnover ratio, more assist per game, more double doubles, smarter IQ, better team defender.




Jose Calderon at 31 years old vs Kyle Lowry at 26 years old


Calderon - better FG % shooter, better 3 pt %shooter. better FT % shooter,better playmaker assists to turnover ratio, more assist per game, more double doubles,more triple doubles smarter IQ, better team defender.


Lets give Lowry max money hes so much better then Calderon.....if you really want to believe it go head and believe.....

Links on above click on any NBA stats sheet......Time to get the Calderon should start chant going.....Lowry for a first round pick !!!!


I just... hahahahaha.. the tears can't stop. ..... where's that nick cage gif when u need it?

here it is: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QEwBQ&dur=339
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:43 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I just... hahahahaha.. the tears can't stop. ..... where's that nick cage gif when u need it?

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Old 12-09-2012, 03:13 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Some guy over at realgm took the time to write this up, and after reading it, I gotta say he brings up some decent points...Worth a read..

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When Lowry was out the team was playing it’s best basketball of the season. Even in losses I felt they were improving. I was hoping that Lowry would be out for an additional month so that all the Jose haters could see how important he is to the team.

For the time period that Lowry was out, Jose was averaging 12 assists and getting the entire team involved. During that stretch we won games we should have and kept it close in the games we had no business being competitive in Dallas and Utah. With Calderon starting we are 2-5, with Lowry we are 2-11. It surprises me how strong the hate is here sometimes. With Calderon we took Utah to triple OT, this was a team with Favors and Jefferson in the lineup. With Lowry we faced a Utah team without Jefferson and Favors and got royally spanked.

What does the data from 82games.com tell us?

# Unit________________________________________ Min Off Def +/- W L Win%
1 Calderon-DeRozan-McGuire-Bargnani-Valanciunas__ 67.8 1.19 1.14 +8 4 2 66.6
2 Lowry-DeRozan-McGuire-Bargnani-Valanciunas ____60.7 0.97 1.10 -17 1 3 25.0
3 Lowry-DeRozan-Fields-Bargnani-Valanciunas______50.8 1.07 1.10 -3 2 2 50.0
4 Lowry-Calderon-DeRozan-Bargnani-Valanciunas___33.5 0.91 0.97 -3 1 3 25.0
5 Calderon-DeRozan-Kleiza-Johnson-Bargnani______32.6 0.78 0.95 -7 1 4 20.0
6 Calderon-DeRozan-McGuire-Johnson-Bargnani____28.3 1.27 1.04 +12 4 1 80.0

# Unit_________________________________________ eFG eFGA FTA Close dClose Reb T
1 Calderon-DeRozan-McGuire-Bargnani-Valanciunas__.533 .533 +9 18% 35% 50.5% -1%
2 Lowry-DeRozan-McGuire-Bargnani-Valanciunas_____.440 .491 +1 26% 40% 47.0% -2%
3 Lowry-DeRozan-Fields-Bargnani-Valanciunas_______.448 .517 -6 32% 45% 49.0% +5%
4 Lowry-Calderon-DeRozan-Bargnani-Valanciunas____.359 .404 -6 31% 26% 49.5% 0%
5 Calderon-DeRozan-Kleiza-Johnson-Bargnani_______.368 .353 -4 28% 37% 46.0% +2%
6 Calderon-DeRozan-McGuire-Johnson-Bargnani_____.553 .444 +2 30% 29% 51.0% +6%

Let’s look at the top 3 lineups in terms of minutes played with Calderon and Lowry playing point (82games). Calderon’s top 3 lineups have a +8, -7, and +12 rating. With Lowry at point we are -17, -3, -3.
Our eFG reflects that above statement as with Calderon at point we have been shooting an eFG of .533, .368, .553 as a team. Contrast that to Lowry’s eFG of .440, .447, .359.

Lowry was supposed to be the missing piece defensively. We hoped he would stop perimeter penetration and we wouldn’t be giving up as many looks. Let’s look at the opponents eFG. With Lowry at point we have given up .491, .517, and .404. Contrast this to Calderon starting with .533, .353, .444. Overall Calderon’s lineups have been slightly better. Lowry was also supposed to bring us rebounding, but the only lineups we’ve managed to outrebound the other teams have been with Calderon starting (50.5%, 51%). The second most played lineup with Lowry starting is at 47%.

One Last Key to Winning: Benching Jonas, keeping Davis on the bench

I looked at two lineups in the top ten most played that didn’t have Bargnani starting to see what the IDEAL RealGM lineup would look like.

# UNIT____________________________________eFG eFGA Reb
9 Calderon-Ross-Kleiza-Johnson-Davis_________.412 .286 46.5%
10 Lowry-DeRozan-Kleiza-Davis-Valanciunas____.500 .517 33.5%

What surprised me with these stats, was the #9 lineup. Despite the fact that we held the team to such a low eFG, we were still getting out-rebounded. The one time that Davis and Valenciunas play together our rebound rate is a horrible 33.5% The only bright spot was that #9 we held the team to such a low eFG, but couldn't corral the defensive boards. Sample size though is really small.

Jonas has a simple rating (combines individual impact with team impact) of -4.1. Amir has a simple rating of +4.5. I think the lineup might benefit more with having Amir starting for now.

Now, I’ve mentioned this so many times that Calderon makes players better. The Utah game where we went to triple overtime, the commentators kept on saying how much they love Calderon’s game and how our team plays so much better with him starting. They also mentioned that they don't like Lowry's game. That’s the first game that opened up my eyes.

My Hypothesis

Calderon has started with this group for so many years that he knows their game and where they like to receive the ball. Our players are also more suited to a half-court offense, which is Calderon’s speciality and Lowry’s weakness. Finally, many of our players can’t create for themselves. Bargnani, DeRozan, (Whoever is at SF), and Val all need someone to create for them. With Calderon, they know the plays and he gets the ball exactly where they need it in their high percentage spots on the court. Jonas isn't as familiar with Jose as Amir is, which is why if we want to win Amir has to be on the starting unit with Jose.

With Lowry the assists come out of the flow of the offense. Players aren’t in their hot spots when they get the open looks. Lowry’s lineups tend to get outrebounded despite having a strong rebounding PG, because players aren’t used to his shots coming from 1 on 1 plays, which doesn’t allow them to position themselves for rebounds.

To win we need to start Calderon who has the second highest simple rating (+4.1) and Amir (+4.5, 1st on team).
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:39 AM   #64 (permalink)
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There is zero about the OP I could agree with. Retarded.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:40 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Good post - it adds credibility to the points I made earlier however with more statistical proof that I don't have the time to do research on.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:45 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Lowry is the better scorer, better rebounder, and MUCH better defender then Jose.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:24 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Lowry is the better scorer, better rebounder, and MUCH better defender then Jose.

Better rebounder......hes a gambler and puts himself out of position.....making our team defence worst this year.....


Better defender maybe on paper.....why so many steals he gambles alot ....making our team defence worst......

Talk about chemistry....would not be surprised one bit that Lowry could be the isssue in the locker room !!!!!!!!!


I could off on this one ......but record shows that I am right more times then not !!!!! Just ask Jeffb hes been following me around over the years........right Jeffb tell them....
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:53 AM   #68 (permalink)
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I'm not agreeing with Raptor123 post, but I must admit that I'm not sold on Lowry as our guard of the today or the future. Time will tell.
The issue could be the total confusion that Casey has allowed to occur and thus he can't show the leadership needed. Lowry like the rest of the team look like lost sheep ... where is the sheep herdsman?
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I'm not agreeing with Raptor123 post, but I must admit that I'm not sold on Lowry as our guard of the today or the future. Time will tell.
The issue could be the total confusion that Casey has allowed to occur and thus he can't show the leadership needed. Lowry like the rest of the team look like lost sheep ... where is the sheep herdsman?
Jose Calderon is on the bench. Will DC have the balls to start Calderon ????? Can Toronto afford a Houston repeat will Kyle Lowry and the coach ??? Not a fat chance.....its suicide for DC and BC after giving away a 1st round pick !!!!

We are better with Calderon starting.... the players know it....the coach knows it...and the NBA knows it.....no chemistry.....no winning...

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I'm not agreeing with Raptor123 post, but I must admit that I'm not sold on Lowry as our guard of the today or the future. Time will tell.
Hey Carl.....don't worry man.....i have your back !!!!!!!!
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:08 AM   #71 (permalink)
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it's not the worst idea in history to bring back jose and amir back into the starting lineup; bring back the mindset, the philosophy and the defensive effort of last season, this lineup would have the needed chemistry for this task, it's the same as last season just with a better version of james johnson at the 3; lowry, ross and jv would be able to be a firework of the bench

but you still have to play ross and jv as much as possible, because they have very huge talent und will be our future, they need to become those guys "who know how to play the game", which guys like derozan, Bargnani and those other garbage guys just ARE NOT
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Lowry is the better scorer, better rebounder, and MUCH better defender then Jose.
I agree with all of those, but I wonder if you left out passer for a reason? PG's first priority is passing.

I think Calderon is better at finding his teammates, and setting them up in their sweetspots.

Lowry might need more time to develope that chemistry.
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I agree with all of those, but I wonder if you left out passer for a reason? PG's first priority is passing.

I think Calderon is better at finding his teammates, and setting them up in their sweetspots.

Lowry might need more time to develope that chemistry.
Because statistically, I guess he is the better "passer"(more assists). But they are clearly both very good at setting up teamates, and I'm sure if Lowry only scored 8 ppg he could put up 11+ assists as well.
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Because statistically, I guess he is the better "passer"(more assists). But they are clearly both very good at setting up teamates, and I'm sure if Lowry only scored 8 ppg he could put up 11+ assists as well.
i don't see this discussion much on the statistical standpoints; when i look at a Raptors games these days i feel much more save when jose is on the floor, the game seems much more controled

and i trust jose, he's a veteran, who knows the ball game, he is one of the only player in this squad where i see, that he's fought every night, as good as he can; come on people he fought kg, this man has balls
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