Chad Ford: Tank Rank, Ujiri shopping KL & DD? - Page 3
Old 12-16-2013, 07:42 PM   #41 (permalink)
T. Ross IS The Phantom Menace.

Lackey
 
Ammo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Mighty North Tundra
Posts: 3,345
Representing:
Default

On this trip the franchise is supposedly taking to Disneyland in the coming years, Ujiri is at the wheel of the RV. But the state troopers, the wife, the kids, everyone is demanding. Realizing that there may be only one chance to drive this thing, he has to make sure he has all the right passengers.

If you're noisy, flatulent (Rudy), You wander away (Kyle), lazy (Bargs), dead weight (Gray) you don't get to come along. However, if Megan Fox wants to come along on the trip, you let her have one of you're kids' seats. (Demar)

Point I'm making is Ujiri has to know he can't blow it and therefore has to make move after careful move that only increases talent and flexibility. But some players have made it known early that they could stall the trip to Disneyland. Some of these passengers on board right now are random strangers. They are seat-warmers for players who are actually coming along.

Seems to me more like a go-with-the-flow in the sense that he is making opportunistic moves as he figures out who is coming along. Problem is most of us think a drawn out OKC tank gets it done, but so likely will a multi-pronged approach of high pick(s), opportunistic trades, moving assets for known commodities and smart spending. This is in contrast to trying your best to squeak by with bandaids.

Remember also that TL said Ujiri's team tried desperately to deal their way into LAST year's draft. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't try to be big players in this draft.
Ammo is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2013, 07:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
payin Dwyane Wade

Senior Member
 
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,746
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by moujik View Post
exactly my sentiment.
the margins are so slim in NBA, so a "slightly" worse team without Lowry, will almost invariably mean loss after loss..
there's a difference in being stuck in the middle
1. having a max player, but clearly coming up short, and not being able to improve
2. finishing in the middle of the pack but clearly growing

what are we gonna be if we dismantle the team completely?
Um....

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2013, 07:50 PM   #43 (permalink)
threat inside

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 588
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu View Post
Um....

and then?!
moujik is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2013, 08:02 PM   #44 (permalink)
payin Dwyane Wade

Senior Member
 
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,746
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by moujik View Post
and then?!
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2013, 10:53 PM   #45 (permalink)
WE THE NORTH!!!

Sippin' On Myself
 
KoolAid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Canada, eh?
Posts: 3,393
Representing:
Default

Megan Fox is overrated.
KoolAid is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 06:56 PM   #46 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 69,761
Representing:
Default

Raptors working hard to move both Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan | canada.com
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 07:41 PM   #47 (permalink)
WE THE NORTH!!!

Sippin' On Myself
 
KoolAid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Canada, eh?
Posts: 3,393
Representing:
Default

I guess Masai really does want to sell high.

All I know is if Demar is dealt we're going to be drowning in assets.
KoolAid is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 09:05 PM   #48 (permalink)
payin Dwyane Wade

Senior Member
 
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,746
Representing:
Default

Quote:
DeRozan is the teamís best wing, but his impact isnít significant enough to affect the Raptors on the win-loss column, so there shouldnít be any rush to move him
The guy is a donkey.
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 09:13 PM   #49 (permalink)
...

Resident Mavs Fan
 
10gizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,118
Representing:
Default

At this point, I wouldn't deal DD unless it was a tremendous offer.

That guy is more and more looking like a guy who can retire here hopefully.
10gizzle is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 09:14 PM   #50 (permalink)
WE THE NORTH!!!

Sippin' On Myself
 
KoolAid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Canada, eh?
Posts: 3,393
Representing:
Default

Instead of just calling him a donkey, say what's actually wrong with that statement. Demar is good, but not so great that he can destroy a tank singlehandedly, therefore we don't need to rush to trade him. Pretty accurate.
KoolAid is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 09:16 PM   #51 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 69,761
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KoolAid View Post
Instead of just calling him a donkey, say what's actually wrong with that statement. Demar is good, but not so great that he can destroy a tank singlehandedly, therefore we don't need to rush to trade him. Pretty accurate.
Pretty much. When has he ever affected the Raptors in the win-loss column?
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 09:20 PM   #52 (permalink)
WE THE NORTH!!!

Sippin' On Myself
 
KoolAid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Canada, eh?
Posts: 3,393
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Pretty much. When has he ever affected the Raptors in the win-loss column?
I'm not sure if you're serious, but assuming you're not, I meant that to say if your roster is tank-worthy, he's not going to boost you to 35 wins on his lonesome.
KoolAid is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 09:45 PM   #53 (permalink)
On T-Ross Flight 31

Senior Member
 
Ataf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Catharines
Posts: 1,558
Representing:
Send a message via Skype™ to Ataf
Default

I agree with Koolaid. ATM he's not an all-star franchise player. He can be a good player on a terrible team, such a bad team that the tank still rolls even with such a good SG.
Kinda like OJ Mayo, Evan Turner, Shumpert, and other good SGs on terrible teams.
Ataf is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 09:59 PM   #54 (permalink)
payin Dwyane Wade

Senior Member
 
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,746
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Pretty much. When has he ever affected the Raptors in the win-loss column?
Lmao.
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 10:03 PM   #55 (permalink)
"Fake All-Star"

Senior Member
 
TORaptor4Ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,267
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Pretty much. When has he ever affected the Raptors in the win-loss column?
How many more games do you think we'd have lost if Ross or Fields (as much as I like him) were playing in his spot for 35+ minutes/gm?

No, he's not a franchise talent, but it's silly to imply that losing him wouldn't matter.
TORaptor4Ever is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 10:10 PM   #56 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 69,761
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever View Post

No, he's not a franchise talent, but it's silly to imply that losing him wouldn't matter.
I never said it wouldn't matter. All i'm saying is he's not a franchise player. And imo we should at the very least explore deals for him. Lord knows, people will make offers, doesn't hurt to listen and if MU sees a deal he likes go for it. All this depends on what kind of team Ujiri wants and if players like DD/AJ fit that. It would be hard to see Demar go, great work ethic and he wants to win here, loves the city. But he's not untouchable.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 10:19 PM   #57 (permalink)
"Fake All-Star"

Senior Member
 
TORaptor4Ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,267
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
I never said it wouldn't matter. All i'm saying is he's not a franchise player. And imo we should at the very least explore deals for him. Lord knows, people will make offers, doesn't hurt to listen and if MU sees a deal he likes go for it. All this depends on what kind of team Ujiri wants and if players like DD/AJ fit that. It would be hard to see Demar go, great work ethic and he wants to win here, loves the city. But he's not untouchable.
I agree 100%. No one on this team is untouchable if the right deal comes along. I get the feeling that some people want to deal Demar just to deal him though.
TORaptor4Ever is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 10:28 PM   #58 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 69,761
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever View Post
I agree 100%. No one on this team is untouchable if the right deal comes along. I get the feeling that some people want to deal Demar just to deal him though.
Yeah, i wouldn't trade him unless you get a good package in return. He's our best asset right now other than JV who is doubtful to be traded so you don't trade him for the sake of making a trade.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 10:29 PM   #59 (permalink)
on the outside, looking in.

giant steps

 
'trane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,307
Representing:
Default

I agree with Joey's donkey comment. Shitty article.
'trane is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2013, 10:36 PM   #60 (permalink)
sick of wack excuses

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 744
Representing:
Default

My question is will a trade happen by Thursday so we can move again with said players at the trade deadline??? Is this the quiet before the storm or is there no storm???
dwchills is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24