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Old 02-19-2011, 04:38 PM   #41 (permalink)
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It's the fact that Bargnani was too scared to help out on D in the paint in that scenario that was the problem. Even Jack Armstrong called him out. For one, Wade isn't a good free throw shooter so saying he would have the same amount of points scored if he went to the line is ridiculous. Second, it's also about paint intimidation. Drawing a hard foul on the Heat's players can cause them to think twice of attacking the basket, thus settling for jumpshots. Knowing Wade he would continue to attack the basket, but it could definitely intimidate other players, and plus like I said earlier, it's better for Wade to earn his points, especially since he shoots 73% from the line.
bargnani's help defense is bad, that's common knowledge
that being said, none of your arguments are valid. Wade is used to being fouled hard, and at worst you'll just make him angry. The only players on that team who drive are wade and lebron, everybody else is just shooting jumpers.

Wade shot 80% against us, so most likely he would have made both, or at least one. Not to mention that a and-one is also an option. An extra foul means you're going to get even sooner in the penalty. All things considered, against Miami Heat you're probably better off not fouling.

Against other teams you raise a good point about us not offering any lane intimidation, and on many nights Bargnani is one of the main reasons we're losing.

but not that game - andrea was the reason we didn't get blown. Let's face it, we are a much, much worse team than Miami, and they were super-motivated to win this game for Bosh. So expecting a win was unrealistic. Just keeping the game close was a victory of sorts, just look at what miami did to the cavs.
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Old 02-19-2011, 04:41 PM   #42 (permalink)
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to sum up Bargnanis Defense, watch the next Raptors game and when the other team is on offense, pay attention to Bargnani, camping around the 3-point line, than the paint, which is where a normal C has to defend.
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Old 02-19-2011, 08:16 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Usually I only read this board but today I want to make an exception.

"Bargs doesn't defend the line as a common C." True, he isn't a C. Never will be.
Plus he's not a good defender, we all know that, but if our opponents blow our perimeter D so easily you need a really good defensive C to react so fast. He isn't, but a better perimeter D would give him a little more time to react and rotate.
"He camp around the 3-point line, than the paint, which is where a normal C has to defend." YES, but he is usually guarding opposite PF, so often he's not under the basket.
He doesn't get many rebounds. Absolutely true. But there're some but. I see him usually going out to contest shots after a D rotation, so he's out of position. This don't justify his entire game, but it's something to be said.
And really, the problem is to have 7 or 8 in the boxscore? Because I think that would be really easy to solve. He's never the one going for the board after a FT attempt, he just needs to grab a couple of those and magically he'll have 7-8 a game. This in not going to solve our problems, but hey, he got 8rpg!
"On offence he's often camping out on the 3pt line." Maybe, that's because he's our only reliable 3pt shooter and our pfs don't have a mid range game, so the paint is often saturated by them. Last game vs Miami the offence moved quite well, result has been a lot more space for his drives.
"Sometimes he looks out of focus and lost", true, but I think he doesn't have a great instinct, so he needs to know where to be and what to do. Our team doesn't play much of a team game. It looks more like 5 guys improvising.

I'm sure that for all the haters these are only excuses as usual and you all know that I'm a homer, but I just wanted to share my thoughts. Feel free to bash

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Old 02-19-2011, 08:22 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Usually I only read this board but today I want to make an exception.

"Bargs doesn't defend the line as a common C." True, he isn't a C. Never will be.
Plus he's not a good defender, we all know that, but if our opponents blow our perimeter D so easily you need a really good defensive C to react so fast. He isn't, but a better perimeter D would give him a little more time to react and rotate.
"He camp around the 3-point line, than the paint, which is where a normal C has to defend." YES, but he is usually guarding opposite PF, so often he's not under the basket.
He doesn't get many rebounds. Absolutely true. But there're some but. I see him usually going out to contest shots after a D rotation, so he's out of position. This don't justify his entire game, but it's something to be said.
And really, the problem is to have 7 or 8 in the boxscore? Because I think that would be really easy to solve. He's never the one going for the board after a FT attempt, he just needs to grab a couple of those and magically he'll have 7-8 a game. This in not going to solve our problems, but hey, he got 8rpg!
"On offence he's often camping out on the 3pt line." Maybe, that's because he's our only reliable 3pt shooter and our pfs don't have a mid range game, so the paint is often saturated by them. Last game vs Miami the offence moved quite well, result has been a lot more space for his drives.
"Sometimes he looks out of focus and lost", true, but I think he doesn't have a great instinct, so he needs to know where to be and what to do. Our team doesn't play much of a team game. It looks more like 5 guys improvising.

I'm sure that for all the haters these are only excuses as usual and you all know that I'm a homer, but I just wanted to share my thoughts. Feel free to bash

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Bolded part is something i agree totally with, when this team had Moon and Parker on the wings(guys who were at least solid defenders) Bargs was the leader on the team in block shots and everyone on this board always felt that his defense was more than passable with many of of saying his defense was better than Bosh's at least on a 1 on 1 basis(which it totally was)

Any center is gonna look terrible out there when every single position is brutal defensively night in and night out.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:07 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Usually I only read this board but today I want to make an exception.

"Bargs doesn't defend the line as a common C." True, he isn't a C. Never will be.
Plus he's not a good defender, we all know that, but if our opponents blow our perimeter D so easily you need a really good defensive C to react so fast. He isn't, but a better perimeter D would give him a little more time to react and rotate.
"He camp around the 3-point line, than the paint, which is where a normal C has to defend." YES, but he is usually guarding opposite PF, so often he's not under the basket.
He doesn't get many rebounds. Absolutely true. But there're some but. I see him usually going out to contest shots after a D rotation, so he's out of position. This don't justify his entire game, but it's something to be said.
And really, the problem is to have 7 or 8 in the boxscore? Because I think that would be really easy to solve. He's never the one going for the board after a FT attempt, he just needs to grab a couple of those and magically he'll have 7-8 a game. This in not going to solve our problems, but hey, he got 8rpg!
"On offence he's often camping out on the 3pt line." Maybe, that's because he's our only reliable 3pt shooter and our pfs don't have a mid range game, so the paint is often saturated by them. Last game vs Miami the offence moved quite well, result has been a lot more space for his drives.
"Sometimes he looks out of focus and lost", true, but I think he doesn't have a great instinct, so he needs to know where to be and what to do. Our team doesn't play much of a team game. It looks more like 5 guys improvising.

I'm sure that for all the haters these are only excuses as usual and you all know that I'm a homer, but I just wanted to share my thoughts. Feel free to bash

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Dude, you should really post more often... well said.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:14 PM   #46 (permalink)
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we wont get too far even if we get a solid C in the paint with Bargs starting and finishing. look at dallas. dirk is a hell of a scorer but he gets blown by and bodied a lot
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