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Old 02-18-2011, 02:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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There was a play during the game when Wade blew past someone on the perimiter and went to attack the rim, and Bargnani clearly was afraid and he not only didn't help in the paint but he moved out of the way for an easy dunk for Wade. Even Jack Armstrong noticed it during the replay and got on Bargs(for once). And don't tell me "Wade would've dunked on his ass and made him a poster", Bargs is 7 feet, he can easily foul him to make him earn his points at the line, and even better Wade isn't too good of a free throw shooter this year.


Just one of probably many more examples.
I don't dispute that... so don't say, "and don't tell me"... lol

I will say this... I prefer that play than all of the pathetic and ones this team gives up..... worst in the league.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:01 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I don't dispute that... so don't say, "and don't tell me"... lol

I will say this... I prefer that play than all of the pathetic and ones this team gives up..... worst in the league.
lol Naw dude there's always some punk that will say "Do you really want to see him get dunked on?" pleaseee the man's like 7 feet 250 pounds, doesn't play like it, but with that body he can easily put Wade at the free throw line.


BTW, I like how Davis fouled Bosh.... just hacks the man.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:01 PM   #23 (permalink)
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we really need a C... i want to see Bargs move back to PF if he's going to be here long term
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
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we really need a C... i want to see Bargs move back to PF if he's going to be here long term
It's either the C position.....or the SF position LOL.

I want Amir and Ed here long term. Great 1-2 punch. Like the old Jose-TJ combination.
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:35 PM   #25 (permalink)
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To add to that, there was another play where Derozan strips the ball from Wade and Bargnani is just ball watching all he had to do was go after the ball but thanks to his defensive awareness the Heat got the ball back.

Just end this Bargnani experiment already
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:16 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Listen...

It's a 2 way street. This was the exact bbm to my friend after the game:

"Bargnani almost won us the game with his offense, and lost us the game with his defense".

He was atrocious in the paint. No amount of offense can make up for pathetic defense from your centre. Even if he averaged 39 ppg.
lmao Bargs is the only reason we didnt get blown out that game. Miami was still scoring with Ed on the floor but we werent. Outside Bargs and Derozan there was barely any offence from us so either way we would have lost. Bargs didnt play great defence but he did keep us in it with the offence. Tell me who you think would have stepped up and scored in the 4th other then bargs? No one has shown the ability to put up points in late stages by themselves outside him.

BTW, when Ajinca and Bargs were paired up in the back court, we played some good defence. We need to pair up Bargs with a real good C and then decide what to do with him.
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:59 PM   #27 (permalink)
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This is the EXAAACT play i was thinking when writing my post to Carp. thank you sir
you're just proving his point, in that particular scenario, the best outcome would have been a hard foul on wade and probably the same amount of points scored + an extra foul on bargnani. The bigger issue was wade coming down the lane without any opposition for his primary defender. wade had his way with derozan throughout the game and that was probably why we lost the game. In all fairness, wade is a great player and derozan tried his best - he was just overpowered.

Bargnani is a bad defender but he's not worse than the rest of the starters. Save for amir, everybody else sucks badly, which is sad, because derozan, weems and Bargnani could be good defenders if they would be willing to ... Calderon lacks lateral quickness, so he's limited in what he can do.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:13 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I hope Andrea wille be traded. My dream is to see him at Orlando with Dwight Howard. Hope you will win the title with Bayless-Derozan-Weems-Johnson-Davis.

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Old 02-18-2011, 06:38 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I hope Andrea wille be traded. My dream is to see him at Orlando with Dwight Howard. Hope you will win the title with Bayless-Derozan-Weems-Johnson-Davis.
Andrea would be the perfect fit in Orlando and would really thrive there. I would love to see that.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:42 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Andrea would be the perfect fit in Orlando and would really thrive there. I would love to see that.
Yeah I was thinking the same, but instead of Orlando somehow Toronto. Free agent signing maybe of CP and DW
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Yeah I was thinking the same, but instead of Orlando somehow Toronto. Free agent signing maybe of CP and DW
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:43 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Weems, Barbosa and Bayless give the ugliest performance I've ever seen and you guys are saying Bargnani was the problem against the Heat? LOL.

38 Points with 15/26 Field Goals 5/6 3 Pointers. GIVE ME A BREAK.

PLUS. Dwayne Wade is near impossible to contain. He had his way with DeRozan all night.

Replace Bargnani with a legit center and yes we'd have better defense. The offense would take a hit too because Bargs stretches the floor which means more room for DeRozan to get to the rim.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:55 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Andrea would be the perfect fit in Orlando and would really thrive there. I would love to see that.
you do know who the coach is right? if you can't defend or play correctly you get 0 playing time. look at arenas.

back on topic, andrea is more suited at the PF role but even at PF he may still be a defense liability.
his +/- is -231 only behind demar at -338 and before you say its because hes on a bad team and starts jose has played 1 less game, 200 less minutes but only has a -127.
i'd love to see andrea traded only if we get the proper return. else sign a C, draft a SF and PG, move andrea to PF and see where that takes us next season.
having our weakest defender playing the 2nd hardest to defend position is not a solution for us long term.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:13 AM   #34 (permalink)
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you're just proving his point, in that particular scenario, the best outcome would have been a hard foul on wade and probably the same amount of points scored + an extra foul on bargnani. The bigger issue was wade coming down the lane without any opposition for his primary defender.
It's the fact that Bargnani was too scared to help out on D in the paint in that scenario that was the problem. Even Jack Armstrong called him out. For one, Wade isn't a good free throw shooter so saying he would have the same amount of points scored if he went to the line is ridiculous. Second, it's also about paint intimidation. Drawing a hard foul on the Heat's players can cause them to think twice of attacking the basket, thus settling for jumpshots. Knowing Wade he would continue to attack the basket, but it could definitely intimidate other players, and plus like I said earlier, it's better for Wade to earn his points, especially since he shoots 73% from the line.
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Old 02-19-2011, 04:14 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I don't know why people want to trade Bargnani


if we do trade him we'll end with a guy half as good (Bargs has showed that he can elevate his game we needed in critical situations, especially the Miami game which would have been embarrassing if we got blown out on our home floor the same way Cleveland did)

its like trading 10 british pounds for 10 canadian dollars, where not geting value back ever

everyone else hates him including majority of the fanbase, I'm on the Bargs train myself, its not like team is built to win 50 games, kobe couldn't get wins with this team

last year if turk showed up as a viable 3rd option and accepted his role we could have been a 45 to 50 win team with Andrea as our second option,

everytime things go wrong in Miami they blame Bosh,

its a rebuild, everyone in Toronto plays the blame game

we have no 1st option yet, we have two great 2nd and 3rd options, where one player away from turning this organisation around

you guys who are like we need to trade this guy and that guy away need to calm down, we don't need to panic,


I'll say this in 3 years when Bargs is 28 and where still not on the upward spiral then obviously its time to deal him for future draft picks, but I find it difficult to give up on a guy who scores 21.5 ppg at age 25 with good efficiency

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Old 02-19-2011, 07:28 AM   #36 (permalink)
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No need to panic with trading Bargs right now. Lets see what pieces can be attained thru the draft and free agency. We are in a rebuilding mode.
I certainly wouldn't pick Bargs to be a starter on a good team, unless his aggressiveness on the defensive end increasing immensely. Either a 6th man, or on a team that has stud defenders would suit him better.
No facts here, but he just doesn't seem to step up when challenged by his coaches ... I've got to believe that over the year, his coaches have asked him to be more aggressive. He just seems like a sensitive person and doesn't respond well to adversity.
If he was on my team, I would sit his ass down more often (not based on his numbers, but based on his effort/aggressiveness) and get him a full time shrink to learn how to deal with it. The sky is the limit for Bargs if he could just learn to be more nasty.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:02 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Listen...

It's a 2 way street. This was the exact bbm to my friend after the game:

"Bargnani almost won us the game with his offense, and lost us the game with his defense".

He was atrocious in the paint. No amount of offense can make up for pathetic defense from your centre. Even if he averaged 39 ppg.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:50 PM   #38 (permalink)
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we dont really need to trade Bargnani. I mean he is good on offense its just his defense and lack of rebound that is complete garbage. We need to get a C who is a free agent this summer. Perhaps Chandler, or Perkins. And then move barngani to pf, and amir to sf.
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we dont really need to trade Bargnani. I mean he is good on offense its just his defense and lack of rebound that is complete garbage. We need to get a C who is a free agent this summer. Perhaps Chandler, or Perkins. And then move barngani to pf, and amir to sf.
Amir @ SF? Fuck that.
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Old 02-19-2011, 04:24 PM   #40 (permalink)
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would u rather weems??? Amir playin SF , is a much better a idea, than that thread about Bargnani playin SF.
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